From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 18 23:07:34 1997 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:58:25 GMT Message-Id: <199702182258.WAA27066@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: The Next Step. From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 965 Lines: 28 On Feb 18, 1997 10:15:22, 'Johnna Teare ' wrote: > >> >I beg to differ. Ask someone what he thought of Lemmings and (s)he'll >> >probably say: >> > >> >Great game, great graphics, great music, but a bit too slow. >> >And where's the two-player option? >> > >> Quite the reverse, I think most would conclude that the SAM version was as >> good as most and better than some. And what two player option? >> >How can you comment on whether SAM Lemmings is better than other >versions if you don't even know that the original version of Lemmings >had a two-player option?! > I've got the PC version here on my machine at work (used to pass the time when the main system is down and I cant get at the main files) and there is no two player more in that version. And as for the Ameba, well they always have to go one better than anyone else. The only thing I mist is the cheat mode the PC has. Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 18 23:10:13 1997 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:05:00 GMT Message-Id: <199702182305.XAA29588@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 573 Lines: 21 On Feb 18, 1997 19:27:40, 'Mr P R Walker ' wrote: > >> What have I done? Ok, I'm not prepared to breach a confidence, but I don't >> know what else I am supposed to have done. > >Not breaching a confidence is fine, but the message was written on the >basis that you are samsboss - and I'm still not really convinced otherwise, >I'm afraid. > >Paul For some people the only thing that convinces them the ground is hard is when the jump off a tall building and find the ground hurts when they hit it. -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 18 23:13:15 1997 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:08:19 GMT Message-Id: <199702182308.XAA00820@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: Sam Users X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 442 Lines: 19 On Feb 18, 1997 21:18:12, 'Stacey Witney ' wrote: >Does anybody know of a source of the Sam Technical Manual? Or perhaps could >someone lend me their copy for a few days so I can copy it? > >I'll pay any reasonable price.... > >Thanks, > >Stacey -- Stacey, correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression yor are not reading Format. Everything you need it in there. Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 18 23:17:47 1997 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:12:33 GMT Message-Id: <199702182312.XAA02433@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Hardware guide... From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 767 Lines: 24 On Feb 18, 1997 22:05:10, 'ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale)' wrote: >Does anybody remember Adrian Parker's Hardware >Course in the Newsdisk? Well, I was wondering about >putting together a short book on designing hardware >for the SAM - only a small thing, and probably >not so much for the novice as Adrian's course. >Would anybody be interested in such a thing for a few >quid?! > >-ANdy > Adrian Parker failed with the news-disk, and with his series in Format because he lost interest. So if it was a self contained book then yes, I would be interested. Could I request a little section on the Spectrum as well so peole could look at converting some of the stuff in the old Sinclair Projects and the like. -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 00:40:28 1997 From: Stacey Witney To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at relay-11.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 00:18:15 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <856311678.1020673.0@huggable.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1066 Lines: 37 I'm sorry Samsboss. I didn't know that to be a Sam user one is **required** to read FORMAT. Consider me chastised. Also thanks Gavin for reminding me of Bob @ Formats email address - it totally slipped me mind that one! Is anyone from this list going to the 2nd NSSS at the Weekend? It would be nice to put same faces to the various (pseudo?) names on the list. -Stacey ---------- > From: Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Cc: Sam Users > Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual > Date: 18 February 1997 11:08 pm > > On Feb 18, 1997 21:18:12, 'Stacey Witney ' > wrote: > > > >Does anybody know of a source of the Sam Technical Manual? Or perhaps > could > >someone lend me their copy for a few days so I can copy it? > > > >I'll pay any reasonable price.... > > > >Thanks, > > > >Stacey > -- > > Stacey, correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression yor are not > reading Format. Everything you need it in there. > > Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 07:35:06 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:33:32 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9702190733.AA01414@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 247 Lines: 12 > >Could you then _please_ explain this entry in WhoWhere? > > > >Robert Brenchley > >samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (click to send e-mail) > >Service Provider: The Pipeline > > > > No, can you? I'm not the one with explaining to do. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 09:09:56 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 04:03:34 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: just testing please ignore Message-Id: <19970219090448Z49168-12132+691@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 158 Lines: 9 Date: 1997-02-19 09:05 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ line 1 line 2 line last GBH3RKNR at IBMMAIL From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 09:43:47 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 04:37:26 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. Message-Id: <19970219093847Z49168-12132+699@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 833 Lines: 32 Date: 1997-02-19 09:35 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------- From: YOUNG Neville, IT Life Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. Date: 17 February 1997 15:31 From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) >Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. >By the way, you've all not ghot a *CLUE* who Iam. >I'm really Renge Thronk Thripplewood Neek the Third. >Mad as a brush and Daft as a Hatter I am. >samsboss (really, I'm actually someone with an inflated opinion as to what >my identity could do to the SAM world if revealed]) >(I'm bruce gordon. honest.) >(or am I alan miles?) >(or Brent Stevens? Now that wuold be scary) >Rant rant rant. >BTW: This is a fakemail. Not really from samsboss. As you probably guessed >already actually. Nice fake simon. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 10:07:53 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 04:58:41 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: The Next Step. Message-Id: <19970219100002Z49168-12132+707@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 415 Lines: 17 Date: 1997-02-19 10:02 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------- From: YOUNG Neville, IT Life Subject: Re: The Next Step. Date: 17 February 1997 15:20 From: Andrew Collier >I wouldn't especially like to be the coder who had his work thrown away; Sorry but you'll just have to get used to it or chose a different career. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 10:07:53 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 04:58:46 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: The Next Step. Message-Id: <19970219100004Z49179-12132+709@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 908 Lines: 24 Date: 1997-02-19 10:02 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: YOUNG Neville, IT Life Subject: Re: The Next Step. Date: 17 February 1997 15:14 From: Justin Skists >On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: >> In most cases I think I would get the reply "but my software runs at an >> acceptable speed now, otherwise I would not be using it". > >Of course they would say that. There no software that isn't running at an >unacceptable speed because at the moment, they don't need it. I'm forever >getting peed off because the Z80B isn't running fast enough to run my >code at an acceptable speed. Code super-duper-optimisation may be an >answer, but I'm not a demo programmer... Why do I get the feeling that the next generation of programmers are being taught bad habits. Nev. (Currently optimising unix code to run faster.) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 10:07:53 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 04:58:56 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: The Next Step. Message-Id: <19970219100004Z49181-12132+710@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1064 Lines: 34 Date: 1997-02-19 10:02 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: YOUNG Neville, IT Life Subject: Re: The Next Step. Date: 17 February 1997 15:00 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) >> Now I've tried to look at the design - a friend has downloaded the >> sram2pcx files, with a view to printing them out for me, but tells me that >> the programs he has say the .pcx files are corrupt. > >You are sure these are the right files? Nev???? When I put then up I also brought them back and used ghostscript to print them out as a validation check. I don't know why they're so big. The program I used to create them only exports it's own internal format and pcx. I then used paint shop pro to convert from pcx to .ps (and .eps I think) then sent them to nvg. I'll print them out here and send out copies to any one who sends a SAE. I'll also take a dozen copies to the show at Weatherby. fairy nuff ? and then, of course, I will get deafened by the crowd crying with one voice BUT NEV ITS A LOAD OF C*** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 10:07:54 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 04:58:50 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: The Next Step. Message-Id: <19970219100004Z49178-12132+708@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1070 Lines: 37 Date: 1997-02-19 10:02 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: YOUNG Neville, IT Life Subject: Re: The Next Step. Date: 17 February 1997 15:11 >From: Andrew Collier >On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: >> >On Sun, 16 Feb 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> The problem is I don't think we have either the time or the expertise >> >> >> available to conside a complete rewrite for scratch. Having evaluated >> >that >> >> >> line of approach it has been abandoned. >> >> > >> >> >Abandoned? Who by] You and Samsboss? Don't be so arrogant. >> >> >> >> By those who have taken the time to consider the idea objectively, from a >> >> point of view based on a knowledge of what is required. >> > >> >Aha. >> > >> >You and Samsboss then. (Funny you always seem to agree) >> >> I refer the gentleman to the original reply. >Any other programmers volunteer to agree with Bob? Yes. baised on ? do I hear you ask ? more years programming than you have had breathing. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 10:07:55 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 05:02:37 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: The Next Step. Message-Id: <19970219100349Z49169-12132+711@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1349 Lines: 36 Date: 1997-02-19 10:02 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: YOUNG Neville, IT Life Subject: Re: The Next Step. Date: 17 February 1997 14:51 From: Andrew Collier >I am not a hardware bod. There is nothing I can do for the SRAM board, so >yes I am looking forward to the next step. However I do not think it is >too early to do so, because the Z380 is not totally separate. These are >all part of the ongoing Samson project. All I ask is that the SRAM board >is designed in such a way that a Z380 can be attached easily, ie without >modifying the SRAM board. Er hang on a mo. I think I detect a cross purpose here. The sram is to replace the internal rom of the sam. This allows (easy) updates of the sam o/s. In addition there is more memory in paged banks to allow samdos/masterdos/masterbasic/hdos to be removed from the 512K of internal memory. The Z380 will be a seperate processor. It will run in parallel with the Z80B not replace it. It will not execute code from the internal sam rom or the sram board. Both processors will have access (protocol to be decided) to i/o devices and expanded mem. Only the Z80B can access the 512K internal memory (via the asic) Only the asic can generate video from the internal 512K mem. Have I got things wrong ? Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 10:45:50 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. References: <199702182258.WAA27002@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 19 Feb 1997 10:42:29 +0000 In-Reply-To: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com's message of Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:58:14 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 655 Lines: 20 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) writes: > > > >If you are not Bob Brenchley, and many people on this list now > >believe you are, then you have done uncalcuable damage to his name > >which is very unfair. > > Who me? When? Where? Comeon, show me. Check the archives ...... > > No, maybe not, but at least I use the brain I have. Not a very big one then evidently ...... -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 10:51:20 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. References: <199702182258.WAA27044@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 19 Feb 1997 10:45:17 +0000 In-Reply-To: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com's message of Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:58:21 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1387 Lines: 41 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) writes: > > On Feb 18, 1997 09:45:39, 'unknown ' wrote: > > >> I am trying to do something constructive, or at least prevent something > >> distructive. I can't understand why others are not helping through the > list > >> as I've had support through personal email (is it that some are scared > of > >> some of the others on the list?) > > > >Why not bounce these messages to the list then (And I do mean bounce, > >not forward!), or ask the people involved to send them to the list > >....? > > Because that would be unethical, if people write to me it would not be > write to post copies in such a public place. Fine ignore the second half of my suggestion. Ask the people that wrote to you with support to resend their messages to the list. If they're that worried then I promise that if you have a mass of support I'll bow to it (Unlike you it would seem ... ) > >> >So why not explain yourself? > >> > >> Have done. > > > >??? > > Yes, I've got a ? on my keyboard as well :) > > The ??? were for where, when, and how .... -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 10:51:20 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. References: <19970219093847Z49168-12132+699@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 19 Feb 1997 10:46:10 +0000 In-Reply-To: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life"'s message of Wed, 19 Feb 1997 04:37:26 EST Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 609 Lines: 22 "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: > >(I'm bruce gordon. honest.) > >(or am I alan miles?) > >(or Brent Stevens? Now that wuold be scary) > > >Rant rant rant. > > >BTW: This is a fakemail. Not really from samsboss. As you probably guessed > >already actually. > > Nice fake simon. > No it wasn't, it was appalingly obvious .... ;) -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 10:51:20 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual References: <199702182308.XAA00820@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 19 Feb 1997 10:47:17 +0000 In-Reply-To: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com's message of Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:08:19 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 807 Lines: 23 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) writes: > On Feb 18, 1997 21:18:12, 'Stacey Witney ' > wrote: > > >Does anybody know of a source of the Sam Technical Manual? Or perhaps > could > >someone lend me their copy for a few days so I can copy it? > > > >I'll pay any reasonable price.... > > > > Stacey, correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression yor are not > reading Format. Everything you need it in there. So what if she doesn't ...? PS. Excuse me being abusive but you're annoying me .... -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 11:03:05 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <11169.199702191055@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: The Next Step. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:55:05 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <19970219100349Z49169-12132+711@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" at Feb 19, 97 05:02:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 487 Lines: 11 > The Z380 will be a seperate processor. > It will run in parallel with the Z80B not replace it. > It will not execute code from the internal sam rom or the sram board. > Only the Z80B can access the 512K internal memory (via the asic) > Only the asic can generate video from the internal 512K mem. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't see this speeding up the sam at /all/, if all video and memory accesses still have to be done via the asic, and if the z380 can't run sam code. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 11:03:09 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:55:43 GMT+0 Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <17D2CB0339@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 427 Lines: 15 > Stacey, correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression yor are not > reading Format. Everything you need it in there. But what if I need a chicken vindaloo and a cheese grater. Sorry, just thought I'd come up with a smart answer to one of HIS questions for once. > Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com > Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 11:46:00 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <9174.199702191135@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:35:34 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <17D2CB0339@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> from "Johnna Teare" at Feb 19, 97 10:55:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 268 Lines: 7 > > Stacey, correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression yor are not > > reading Format. Everything you need it in there. > But what if I need a chicken vindaloo and a cheese grater. What, both together? Check the small ads page, near the back...! Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 11:46:01 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <9412.199702191137@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: The Next Step. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:37:33 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <19970219100004Z49181-12132+710@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" at Feb 19, 97 04:58:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 752 Lines: 21 > When I put then up I also brought them back and used ghostscript to print > them out as a validation check. I don't know why they're so big. Postscript files are always large. > The program I used to create them only exports it's own internal format and > pcx. The PCX files don't work here either - at least, the viewer I tried gave 'cannot create bitmap'. That could just be a crap viewer though! > and then, of course, I will get deafened by the crowd crying with one voice > BUT NEV ITS A LOAD OF C*** There seems to be a little doubt here as to what the board is actually /for/....! Okay - what is the purpose of the SRAM board, and where does it fit into an existing Sam? (Ignoring anything SamSon related in this answer please..) Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 11:46:01 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <9524.199702191138@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:38:19 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9702190733.AA01414@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Feb 19, 97 08:33:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 89 Lines: 6 > > No, can you? > I'm not the one with explaining to do. Frode's got a point... Paul From imc Wed Feb 19 12:02:27 1997 Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:02:27 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9524.199702191138@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> from "Mr P R Walker" at Feb 19, 97 11:38:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 148 Lines: 6 On Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:38:19 +0000 (GMT), Mr P R Walker said: > Frode's got a point... Careful - you could have someone's eye out with that. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 12:52:15 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 07:41:34 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re; the truth is not there Message-Id: <19970219124433Z49169-12132+736@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 251 Lines: 13 Date: 1997-02-19 12:43 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Nice fake simon. >> > >No it wasn't, it was appalingly obvious .... ;) > I refered to the style and content not the method. HTH Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 13:05:31 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 07:55:46 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual Message-Id: <19970219125659Z49177-12132+741@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 362 Lines: 15 Date: 1997-02-19 12:45 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Johnna Teare To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:55:43 GMT+0 Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual >But what if I need a chicken vindaloo and a cheese grater. Go to ASDA or M&S they do them. HTH Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 13:05:32 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 07:55:38 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: The Next Step. Message-Id: <19970219125659Z49168-12132+740@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1371 Lines: 37 Date: 1997-02-19 12:44 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Mr P R Walker Subject: Re: The Next Step. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:55:05 +0000 (GMT) >> The Z380 will be a seperate processor. >> It will run in parallel with the Z80B not replace it. >> It will not execute code from the internal sam rom or the sram board. >> Only the Z80B can access the 512K internal memory (via the asic) >> Only the asic can generate video from the internal 512K mem. > >Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't see this speeding up the sam at /all/, >if all video and memory accesses still have to be done via the asic, and if >the z380 can't run sam code. exactly. I suspect there are _still_ two chains of thought for the Z380. 1. It is an extra processor that will, eventually, run a better basic and drive new and better i/o devices (eg. hi res video, sound, coms, simm memory, PC style keyboard controler) and the Z80B and the rest of the sam will become redundant. But as the new bits are developed the Z80B does stuff for the Z380 like driving the old video, sound, keyboard etc. 2. It replaces the Z80B NOW. I was (am still) under the impression that we were going for 1. Please correct me if I'm wrong as anything I do, or have done, is most likely wrong. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 13:05:32 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 07:56:28 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: the next step Message-Id: <19970219125757Z49168-12132+742@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1149 Lines: 29 Date: 1997-02-19 12:45 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> and then, of course, I will get deafened by the crowd crying with one voice >> BUT NEV ITS A LOAD OF C*** > >There seems to be a little doubt here as to what the board is actually >/for/....] > >Okay - what is the purpose of the SRAM board, and where does it fit into >an existing Sam? (Ignoring anything SamSon related in this answer please..) As it stands (or lies flat, if preferred) it will be an extension to Brucies RAM/ROM board in that it will, when activated, turn off the internal sam rom. Unlike the sam's own ROM, however, the SRAM board has many 16K pages not just 2. The idea was (this may be wrong) to allow the sam rom to be loaded in plus masterbasic plus master dos plus hdos plus other new stuff. Hopefully removing some of the paging problems we have with the current arrangemnent of having extensions in the sam's ram. Ignore this bit it's samson. once the samson exists in its final form the sam will not be of any further use and the sram board could then be used by the z380. (again prolly wrong). Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 13:56:50 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:47:47 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970219084746_-2009739075@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2972 Lines: 74 In a message dated 18/02/97 13:09:25, you write: >> >It wasn't one posting, it was loads of them. Bob, if you aren't >> >Samsboss, then do you mind him using your name? >> >> There are ways in which 2 + 2 does not make 3 you know. >> ....Restart program....Logic failier....Return to start.... > >What kind of a stupid reply is that? > >> > >> >> >I have to say that I think your conduct in this is really, /really/ >> bad, >> >> Bob. >> >> Oy, leave Bob out of this. > >How can we leave him out if you have used his name many times on >postings to newsgroups (and even a few here). > > >> >It is every >> >bit do to with me and the rest of us on the list. How dare you insult >> >some of us, and then hide behind your stupid false name?? >> >> How do we know your name is real? Get a life! > >Why on earth would I fake the name Gavin Smith?!? > >Samboss, will you either deny that you are Bob, or apologise to him >for using his name, which you have done massive damage to... > > > > * * This is an 'almost' direct copy of an email I sent to: j.d.teare@UCLAN.AC.UK * * There seems to be a several people who just will not let sleeping dogs lie. So, for once and for all, lets put this to bed. SAMSBOSS has given his reasons for being /required/ to use a 'screen-name'. He is like many, many others on the net in so doing. In the early days he did find it rather fun to use the facility that exists in most ISP's software to change the part of the ID where you can put your full name. Alas, when Pipeline's computer system went down at one point last year he was stuck with my name on the tail for some weeks. As soon as this happened he telephoned me to say how sorry he was. Although he has been a FORMAT reader for a very long time I had not spoken to him before. However, I have come to know him quite well and, given his background, I have also come to respect his ability. As a result of this 'chance' coming together, it has led to me becoming involved (in the last few months) with useing his Pipeline account to post to a couple of news-groups ) with headers pointing to my AOL account for email replies. Using AOL for email is great, I can carry a disc with me and get access to my email anywhere in the world and on any system that uses Win 3.1 or above. But when it comes to things like newsgroups - AOL sucks. Getting the news is fine, but posting back takes ages and the handling software is not very good. * * End Quote. * * Using another persons name may not have been a good idea, but he came to me openly when it happened and I have accepted his appology. However, I have never considered that he had done "massive damage to my name" but then several people do have a nasty habit of reading just what they want to into postings, instead of actually reading what is there. Lets hope that this childish vendetta against SAMSBOSS has come to an end and that we can all start pulling together for the future of SAM. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 13:56:50 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:51:01 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: after the show Message-Id: <19970219135220Z49189-12132+758@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 274 Lines: 13 Date: 1997-02-19 13:43 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Sam Me and Bob are going out to Leeds after the show this weekend and I wonderd if you'd like to tag along for a drink or three? Nev. GBH3RKNR at IBMMAIL From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 15:54:09 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:27:53 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970219102749_1080580757@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 940 Lines: 25 In a message dated 18/02/97 14:39:33, you write: >> Would someone care to explain why the change of heart? > >Indeed - they are buggy. I can only speak for myself, but I feel that >we should not take an old product(s), already full of bugs, port it to a >virtually new platform, with the danger of introducing new bugs in >the processes. That, in some ways, may just prove to be the fun part. It was with GDOS when Nev and I did that for Bruce. > >If we get a Z380 board (or whatever), I would like to keep the 'old' >SAM compability mode and boot the old software. But on the new board >I want something which is new, bugfree (:-), multitasking, etc, and >is maintanable for the maintainers. Oh yes. The Z380 will need its own operating system, and when SAMSON or SONOFSAMSON comes along then its system will be based on the Z380 one. However, you know what they say "if its bugfree it was too small to be worth doing" :) > > -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 15:54:09 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:27:56 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970219102754_1315376533@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1611 Lines: 49 In a message dated 18/02/97 14:48:15, you write: >On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >[cut] >> There were complaints about SAM C. > >Who wants to write the SamSon OS in C? For a start it produces Sam Code, >Not Samson code. Sorry, that is not what I ment. > >> There were complaints about HDOS. > >It has an inconvenient syntax, as far as I know. But that doesn't make it >unusable. > >> There were complaints about bugs in the ROM. >> There were complaints about bugs in DOS. > >There are some obscure Basic bugs, and one or two Dos bugs, but they don't >make the system unstable. Indeed, they're probably so well hidden that >we'll never iron them out. That was not the impression I was getting at the time (any others care to comment on ROM bugs?) > >> All of a sudden, everybody loves the ROM/DOS/HDOS??? I'm told, left, right, >> and centre, that there is no need to rework the SAM operating system, we >can >> go on an do the Z380 with what we have. >> >> Would someone care to explain why the change of heart? > >No change of heart. The ROM/DOS/HDOSs aren't perfect, but a rewritten >SamSon OS would not suffer as a result of their problems. On the other >hand, to base the OS around hacked-up, old code for the wrong processor, >would produce a limited system even less efficient than Win95. Once again you are missing the point. The SRAM project has nothing to do with SAMSON or the Z380. It is to allow us to get a more consolidated system on SAM which will then allow us to develop the tools on SAM to write things for the Z380 and other things that come later. > >Andrew Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 15:54:10 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:27:57 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970219102756_1381979413@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: The Next Step. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 436 Lines: 15 In a message dated 18/02/97 14:54:53, you write: >I cannot recall one single example of you ever changing your mind because >of something anybody said, or of you ever apologising or admitting you >were in the wrong. > >Andrew Could be then that having taken the expert advice there has been no need to change my mind. The other reason is that I don;t normaly open my mouth (in print that is) until I'm fairly sure of myself. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 15:54:10 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:28:00 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970219102758_1548103317@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: The Next Step. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1019 Lines: 35 In a message dated 18/02/97 19:21:01, you write: >> >who wrote it, saying you write is really no good on a mailing list ... >> Well its all you are getting because it is all that the software can do. > >Hmm. Crap software. Not designed for mailing lists, that's the problem. Must look at the new version 3 soon as I get the time. > >> opinions and based on the knowledge of what is being talked about, decide >to >> reject those opinions. > >Never seen you accept one yet... Not that I remember, anyway. I didn't say opinions just from this list. There are an awful lot not here you know. > >> You cannot do something like this without someone making the decisions - if >> you do you end up with Windows 95. > >Fine - but I don't remember anyone saying you would make the decisions. At the end of the day nobody else seems to want any responsibility. > >And you're /still/ wrong about why Win95 is slow. If you would be happy to take this to direct email we can have a nice talk about it sometime. > >Paul Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 15:54:11 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:28:07 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970219102804_1845784725@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability/etc Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3581 Lines: 74 In a message dated 18/02/97 19:24:29, you write: >> Would someone care to explain why the change of heart? > >Certainly, Bob. I can explain. [cut] Thanks Justin. Very clearly put. Your first paragraph was very good I thought. However, without wishing to dampen your enthusiasm, let me explain what is wrong with that approach. First. The Z380 card. The design of this has not even been started yet (ok I know it will be based on the Accelerator card that Simon demoed last year) and at a conservative estimate I don't think that it will be around until at least the tail end of the summer. The current design idea for the HALF-SAMSON, that is the collection of cards attached to the back of the existing SAM Coupe/elite, requires two boards to be built /before/ others are even designed. The SRAM, because it has to be close to the SAM, and a buffer board to prevent overloading of the address, data and control lines of the Z80. This buffer board may (or may not) expand the bus to 96 pins to provide extra signals, at the moment there are pros and cons to this so the matter is still open. Behind that the reat of the boards could come in almost any order Z380, Graphics, Sound, Super I/O, Extra RAM and all the rest. My own personal opinion (at the moment) is that the graphics card (with its own processor) and the Z380 card could be done in either order but that the Z380 as it is more advanced just now will almost certainly get to the winning post first. Between the /advanced/ cards and the SAM (with its SRAM) there will also have to be a mailbox system to handle data transfer between the two. At the start, SAM handles all I/O, but as new I/O cards are developed to link to the extended bus then the SAMs role will become less and less. At the end we just unplug SAM, and the prototype of SAMSON is born - free and independent, new Basic, DOS, graphics, sound, in fact new everything. The advantage, which I have always made quite clear, is that each step of the way we get something from the project - even if at the end of the day the SAMSON was never to see the light of day. What we have to do is step back and look at the wider project. I know some want to rush into the exciting bits like the Z380, but that route spells problems because we need to learn to walk before we learn to run. We have to learn to co-operate for a start, you can't have two dozen chiefs and no indians. What I would propose is that each sub-project will have a leader who /must/ have the final say on that sub-project. He (or she) can the obtain co-operation from others who are prepared to agree to work on the sub-project and to do so under the authority of the leader. Of course some people can be working on more than one sub-project if they have the time. Before a sub-project is started it must have a clearly written project brief, complete with agreed time scales and costings. While these may not be set in stone - we have to have them because if we don't then other sub-projects which may have a degree of dependancy to the one in question may suffer. Now all this may sound like the dreaded four letter word - WORK - well it is, this is no game, we have to approach this in a professional way or it is not worth starting. So, there you have it. I've said most of this before, and I know that some people are going to pull this appart and find everything they can to pick fault with. But I think the route I have given above is not just the best route, it is the only route that (on the balance of expert opinion) will get the job done in our lifetimes. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 15:54:17 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:28:07 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970219102806_1946444437@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: The Next Step. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 462 Lines: 14 In a message dated 18/02/97 19:33:22, you write: >> Quite the reverse, I think most would conclude that the SAM version was as >> good as most and better than some. And what two player option? > >Graphics were nice, but it played very slowly. "What two player option..." >You have /played/ Lemmings on another computer, haven't you? > >Paul Yes, I have the PC version which I used while doing my little pit of play-testing of the SAM version for Colin. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 15:54:17 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:28:15 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970219102810_-2077112939@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Hardware guide... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 508 Lines: 16 In a message dated 18/02/97 22:06:23, you write: >Does anybody remember Adrian Parker's Hardware >Course in the Newsdisk? Well, I was wondering about >putting together a short book on designing hardware >for the SAM - only a small thing, and probably >not so much for the novice as Adrian's course. >Would anybody be interested in such a thing for a few >quid?! > >-ANdy Would you consider doing this as a suppliment to the Technical Manual Andy? Either way give me a ring and I will halp if I can. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 15:54:18 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:28:09 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970219102808_2094510741@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 382 Lines: 14 In a message dated 18/02/97 21:37:02, you write: >> Does anybody know of a source of the Sam Technical Manual? Or perhaps could >> someone lend me their copy for a few days so I can copy it? >> >> I'll pay any reasonable price.... > >Bob at Formatpub@aol.com should be able to help you. I think its >about 14/15 quid. 12 pounds 95 pence including UK postage and packing. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 15:54:19 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:37:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual In-reply-to: <856311678.1020673.0@huggable.demon.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 364 Lines: 11 > Is anyone from this list going to the 2nd NSSS at the Weekend? It would be > nice to put same faces to the various (pseudo?) names on the list. I'll be there! -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "If you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now Quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 15:54:19 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Re; the truth is not there References: <19970219124433Z49169-12132+736@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 19 Feb 1997 15:37:42 +0000 In-Reply-To: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life"'s message of Wed, 19 Feb 1997 07:41:34 EST Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 462 Lines: 16 "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: > > >> Nice fake simon. > > > >No it wasn't, it was appalingly obvious .... ;) > > > I refered to the style and content not the method. > Fair 'nuff ... -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 15:54:20 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. References: <970219084746_-2009739075@emout08.mail.aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 19 Feb 1997 15:44:41 +0000 In-Reply-To: BrenchleyR@aol.com's message of Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:47:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2285 Lines: 53 BrenchleyR@aol.com writes: > * * This is an 'almost' direct copy of an email I sent to: > j.d.teare@UCLAN.AC.UK * * Why 'almost' ? > > SAMSBOSS has given his reasons for being /required/ to use a 'screen-name'. > He is like many, many others on the net in so doing. > Yes, fair point, but he is not _required_ to preserve his anonymity, a fact which bugs me since he is so open about getting on everyones nerves and insulting people. I have yet to be given a _good_ reason why no-one will reveal his true identity. Don't even attempt the 'Everyone else does it so why shouldn't I' argument because this is not a world-readable newsgroup, it is a mailing-list that includes on it a small number of (sort-of) like-minded individuals who more or less know each other (If you count things like I know James Curry, he knows x, X knows y etc. etc.) So why won't samsboss join in and be sociable instead of an arrogant anti-social idiot. > In the early days he did find it rather fun to use the facility that exists > in most ISP's software to change the part of the ID where you can put your > full name. Alas, when Pipeline's computer system went down at one point last > year he was stuck with my name on the tail for some weeks. As soon as this > happened he telephoned me to say how sorry he was. Although he has been a > FORMAT reader for a very long time I had not spoken to him before. However, I > have come to know him quite well and, given his background, I have also come > to respect his ability. Fine. > > As a result of this 'chance' coming together, it has led to me becoming > involved (in the last few months) with useing his Pipeline account to post to > a couple of news-groups ) with headers pointing to my AOL account for email [Snipped advertising how great AOL is for email. Are you on commission?] > > Lets hope that this childish vendetta against SAMSBOSS has come to an end and > that we can all start pulling together for the future of SAM. > Lets hope he stops childishly hiding behind anonymity. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 16:19:09 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <22165.199702191606@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: The Next Step. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:05:57 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <970219102758_1548103317@emout01.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Feb 19, 97 10:28:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 967 Lines: 26 > >> Well its all you are getting because it is all that the software can do. > >Hmm. Crap software. > Not designed for mailing lists, that's the problem. Must look at the new The problem is that whoever wrote it didn't think ahead, or give it flexibility. As I said, crap software. :) > >Never seen you accept one yet... Not that I remember, anyway. > I didn't say opinions just from this list. There are an awful lot not here > you know. I know. Just seems odd, that's all. > >Fine - but I don't remember anyone saying you would make the decisions. > At the end of the day nobody else seems to want any responsibility. I don't even remember anyone else being /asked/, but I'll take your point. However, it doesn't make it "yours" - it's still everyone's project. > >And you're /still/ wrong about why Win95 is slow. > If you would be happy to take this to direct email we can have a nice talk > about it sometime. Certainly - you've got the address... Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 16:19:09 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <22740.199702191610@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:10:04 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <970219084746_-2009739075@emout08.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Feb 19, 97 08:47:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1249 Lines: 37 > > SAMSBOSS has given his reasons for being /required/ to use a 'screen-name'. Not /required/. > He is like many, many others on the net in so doing. Irrelevant. The others aren't here, he is. > In the early days he did find it rather fun to use the facility that exists ??? The mind boggles, but whatever... > have come to know him quite well and, given his background, I have also come > to respect his ability. May we have some of the background, then? I find it very hard to take seriously anything posted by someone who refuses to give his name. > replies. Using AOL for email is great, I can carry a disc with me and get > access to my email anywhere in the world and on any system that uses Win 3.1 Sounds like most other places... And it sounds like Fidonet, who had this long before AOL did. > openly when it happened and I have accepted his appology. However, I have > never considered that he had done "massive damage to my name" but then He has on this list, but... > Lets hope that this childish vendetta against SAMSBOSS has come to an end and How about a deal ... I'll drop this (I make no promises about the others) if Samsboss agrees to /listen/ to other people, and not be so insulting in future...? Samsboss? Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 17:04:59 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:57:54 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The Next Step. In-reply-to: <970219102806_1946444437@emout06.mail.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 373 Lines: 11 > Yes, I have the PC version which I used while doing my little pit of > play-testing of the SAM version for Colin. And one level of ONML on the SAM is still IMPOSSIBLE! -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "If you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now Quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 17:05:01 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:01:12 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Slight correction.. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 431 Lines: 14 Hmm.. I said a while back that Graham Goring would have Email access again. Not any more. He had a gamestesting job for 2 months at Simis. He left after one week. (Property prices too high to rent or something). Oh well. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "If you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now Quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 20:15:06 1997 Message-Id: <9702192005.AA0068@worldcom-57.worldcom.com> To: sam-users From: Stefan Drissen Date: 19 Feb 97 17:43:23 Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1428 Lines: 45 >>Could you then _please_ explain this entry in WhoWhere? >> >>Robert Brenchley >>samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (click to send e-mail) >>Service Provider: The Pipeline > >No, can you? Yes. WhoWhere manages to collate data in some way by scanning emails passing through some point (I wouldn't have a clue how it exactly works). My name was already in there before I'd even heard of the page. The name is simply stripped from the mail name - and since samsboss was using Robert Brenchly as mail name it was entered into WhoWhere as such. **************************************** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. Accordingly, Coopers & Lybrand disclaim all responsibility and accept no liability (including in negligence) for the consequences for any person acting, or refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt by those persons of subsequent written confirmation. If you have received this E-mail message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this E-mail message is strictly prohibited. **************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 20:22:53 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:16:11 GMT Message-Id: <199702192016.UAA15496@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 744 Lines: 27 On Feb 19, 1997 17:43:23, 'Stefan Drissen ' wrote: >>>Could you then _please_ explain this entry in WhoWhere? >>> >>>Robert Brenchley >>>samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (click to send e-mail) >>>Service Provider: The Pipeline >> >>No, can you? > >Yes. WhoWhere manages to collate data in some way by scanning emails passing >through some point (I wouldn't have a clue how it exactly works). My name was > >already in there before I'd even heard of the page. The name is simply >stripped from the mail name - and since samsboss was using Robert Brenchly as >mail name it was entered into WhoWhere as such. Many thanks. That solves that little mystery. -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 21:04:52 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:55:31 GMT Message-Id: <199702192055.UAA28230@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 637 Lines: 22 On Feb 19, 1997 10:55:43, 'Johnna Teare ' wrote: > >> Stacey, correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression yor are not >> reading Format. Everything you need it in there. > >But what if I need a chicken vindaloo and a cheese grater. > >Sorry, just thought I'd come up with a smart answer to one of HIS >questions for once. > >> Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com >> > >Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) >JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) >"They call me Mad The Swine." -- Nice one, keep this up and there will soon be more smiles to go around. Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 21:04:53 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:55:26 GMT Message-Id: <199702192055.UAA28207@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 337 Lines: 13 On Feb 19, 1997 15:44:41, 'unknown ' wrote: >Lets hope he stops childishly hiding behind anonymity. > >-- Like I've said, I can't. If this was a mailing list to do with knitting (anyone know of one?) then it would be different. But its to do with computers, so I can't. -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 21:04:53 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:55:43 GMT Message-Id: <199702192055.UAA28292@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1031 Lines: 29 On Feb 19, 1997 00:18:15, 'Stacey Witney ' wrote: >I'm sorry Samsboss. I didn't know that to be a Sam user one is **required** >to read FORMAT. Consider me chastised. Oh dear, I hope I have not upset you, I didnee meean to. It was just that I've noted a few posting from you that led me, slowly, to just wonder, if maybe, by some remote chance, you had missed out on Format. Its not required reading, just, well, good reading (there I've gone and done it, I'm supporting Bob again, there will be lots of complaints about that now). > >Also thanks Gavin for reminding me of Bob @ Formats email address - it >totally slipped me mind that one! > >Is anyone from this list going to the 2nd NSSS at the Weekend? It would be >nice to put same faces to the various (pseudo?) names on the list. If my car will make it from Liverpool, then I'll be there. I'll be the one all the others are keeping away from :) if they find out who I am that is. > >-Stacey -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 21:04:54 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:55:23 GMT Message-Id: <199702192055.UAA28187@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1722 Lines: 64 On Feb 19, 1997 16:10:04, 'Mr P R Walker ' wrote: >> >> SAMSBOSS has given his reasons for being /required/ to use a 'screen-name'. > >Not /required/. Yes, REQUIRED, well either that or risk my job. > >> He is like many, many others on the net in so doing. > >Irrelevant. The others aren't here, he is. You can't dismiss thousands of other just cos thems not here. > >> In the early days he did find it rather fun to use the facility that exists > >??? The mind boggles, but whatever... > >> have come to know him quite well and, given his background, I have also come >> to respect his ability. > >May we have some of the background, then? I find it very hard to take >seriously anything posted by someone who refuses to give his name. Your loss, not mine. > >> replies. Using AOL for email is great, I can carry a disc with me and get >> access to my email anywhere in the world and on any system that uses Win 3.1 > >Sounds like most other places... And it sounds like Fidonet, who had this >long before AOL did. > >> openly when it happened and I have accepted his appology. However, I have >> never considered that he had done "massive damage to my name" but then > >He has on this list, but... Examples please? > >> Lets hope that this childish vendetta against SAMSBOSS has come to an end >and > >How about a deal ... I'll drop this (I make no promises about the others) if >Samsboss agrees to /listen/ to other people, and not be so insulting in >future...? Samsboss? I try never to be insulting, but sometimes when you just can't get through to people, Mr Nice Guy cracks. > >Paul -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com Not The Bobby. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 21:04:54 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:55:38 GMT Message-Id: <199702192055.UAA28267@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 637 Lines: 24 On Feb 19, 1997 10:42:29, 'unknown ' wrote: >samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) writes: >> > >> >If you are not Bob Brenchley, and many people on this list now >> >believe you are, then you have done uncalcuable damage to his name >> >which is very unfair. >> >> Who me? When? Where? Comeon, show me. > >Check the archives ...... I have, so I repeat the question.... > >> >> No, maybe not, but at least I use the brain I have. > >Not a very big one then evidently ...... Normal size really, just use it a bit better than some. -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 19 21:04:54 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:55:47 GMT Message-Id: <199702192055.UAA28314@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: stepper motor control using sam From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 936 Lines: 24 On Feb 17, 1997 20:56:34, 'trevorashby@uk.pipeline.com (Trevor Ashby)' wrote: > >--As a new comer to the sam users group I dont know if this will be of >interest to anyone or not. If anyone is interested in using the sam to >drive stepper motors for controling machine tools ( milling machines, >lathes drills ), then I have a 3 axis control system using machine code for >the motor drives with geometry ,tool data etc handled in BASIC . I am >wanting to know if anyone is interested in marketing the system , also >assisting with hardware development ie producing a professional standard >of circuit board , as the current one is a vero board home brew . >Any comments ? I would be quite happy to provide further >specifications to interested parties, >Thanks for reading this, >Trevor Ashby -- It is not really my scene Trevor, but keep with it. And welcome to the mailing list. Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 00:55:22 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 00:52:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability In-Reply-To: <970219102754_1315376533@emout17.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2252 Lines: 51 On Wed, 19 Feb 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > Once again you are missing the point. The SRAM project has nothing to do with > SAMSON or the Z380. It is to allow us to get a more consolidated system on > SAM which will then allow us to develop the tools on SAM to write things for > the Z380 and other things that come later. Whether or not the SRAM is connected to the Z380 is open to debate, but it certainly is connected to SamSon - at least that's what you said in your opening email those months ago. Presumably, when the Z380 eventually does get added, it will need some form of ROM-style memory, and I was under the impression that the SRAM board would be the place to store that. Will that be possible with the SRAM board's design? If not, the developers (and indeed ordinary users) will need to buy two seperate pieces of very similar hardware. All I ask is that the SRAM card will be future-proofed. In other words, it needs to be: 1) Writable to (when the button is pressed) by the internal Z80B 2) Readable from by the internal Z80B but also 3) Writable to (when the button is pressed) by an external Z380 4) Readable from by an external Z380 If one processor is disabled when the other is working, to simplify the design we can preclude the possibility of the two processors clashing; ie 1 or 2 will never happen at the same time as 3 or 4. However, I expect that for 3 or 4 to work in future, the board needs to be modified now (unless these things have already been taken into account). Which means that some thought is required now as to how the Z380 will be attached. But none of this means that the SRAM card won't work on the pure Sam. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Opportunities are usually disguised | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | as hard work, so most people don't | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | recognise them -fortune | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | | -= Enter at your own risk =- | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 09:53:56 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:49:29 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9702200949.AA02729@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: The Next Step. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 855 Lines: 24 > From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) > >> Now I've tried to look at the design - a friend has downloaded the > >> sram2pcx files, with a view to printing them out for me, but tells me > that > >> the programs he has say the .pcx files are corrupt. > > > >You are sure these are the right files? Nev???? > > When I put then up I also brought them back and used ghostscript to print > them out as a validation check. > I don't know why they're so big. They are so big because you saved it with a resolution of 6704x4411 :) > > The program I used to create them only exports it's own internal format and > pcx. > I then used paint shop pro to convert from pcx to .ps (and .eps I think) > then sent them to nvg. I have converted them to a smaller eps (vector based, not bitmaped). They are uploaded to nvg and called ./docs/Srameps.zip. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 09:57:32 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: SAM Hardware guide... To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:54:56 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <970219102810_-2077112939@emout09.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Feb 19, 97 10:28:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 565 Lines: 14 I'm going to have a bash at starting this hardware guide this weekend - I've decided the best option is to split it in two with an introduction to electronics and digital logic for the beginner, and a step-by-step tutorial to desigining hardware. The other section would be more of a reference section with hints, tips and ideas for those who have grabbed the basics of digital design, and a "projects scrapbook" for all those techniques I've discovered whilst building my many un-completed projects! I'll post a contents plan soon for people to criticise -Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 11:01:37 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:56:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@kola.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Hardware guide... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 776 Lines: 18 On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Andrew M Gale wrote: > I'll post a contents plan soon for people to criticise I'll be extremely happy to buy one.. it's just what I'm looking for.. It'll save on all those basic questions to send to this list. If you need someone to give you an idea of what could/should be included, give me a shout.. (And no.. I'm not going this weekend.. Sorry.. :( ) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 11:05:09 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:02:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@kola.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: The Next Step. In-Reply-To: <19970219100004Z49179-12132+709@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1064 Lines: 25 On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > Why do I get the feeling that the next generation of programmers are being > taught bad habits. I know.. Blame our lecturers... We get forced into writing code in Modula 2 and Eiffle that no-body uses out in the real world.. Since I never really finish my projects anyway, I tend to write code as fast as possible and only optimise when I actually NEED the extra speed. And if I would like it to run slightly faster, I'd stick it through a optimisation program.. :) (And since when did people write satellite spying software in optimised Z80 code? :) > Nev. (Currently optimising unix code to run faster.) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 11:23:42 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual References: <199702192055.UAA28292@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 20 Feb 1997 11:16:13 +0000 In-Reply-To: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com's message of Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:55:43 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 636 Lines: 14 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) writes: > If my car will make it from Liverpool, then I'll be there. I'll be the one > all the others are keeping away from :) if they find out who I am that is. Hmm, if I was able to go I s'pose you could have given me a lift home afterwards, but I s'pose that would have meant letting me know who you were .... Maybe next time! -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 11:23:43 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. References: <199702192055.UAA28207@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 20 Feb 1997 11:18:22 +0000 In-Reply-To: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com's message of Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:55:26 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 762 Lines: 17 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) writes: > On Feb 19, 1997 15:44:41, 'unknown ' wrote: > > >Lets hope he stops childishly hiding behind anonymity. > > > > Like I've said, I can't. If this was a mailing list to do with knitting > (anyone know of one?) then it would be different. But its to do with > computers, so I can't. Why? Does your boss read this. Is he likely to? Be serious. 'I can't be caught giving out free advice' excuse just doesn't wash. Sorry. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 11:23:43 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. References: <199702192055.UAA28267@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 20 Feb 1997 11:20:01 +0000 In-Reply-To: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com's message of Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:55:38 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 917 Lines: 25 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) writes: > > On Feb 19, 1997 10:42:29, 'unknown ' wrote: > > >samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) writes: > >> > > >> >If you are not Bob Brenchley, and many people on this list now > >> >believe you are, then you have done uncalcuable damage to his name > >> >which is very unfair. > >> > >> Who me? When? Where? Comeon, show me. > > > >Check the archives ...... > > I have, so I repeat the question.... All the times you've insulted people, bulldozed other peoples ideas, all the time people still believe you're Bob whether you like it or not .. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 11:28:56 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 06:24:11 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970220062409_-871594991@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1789 Lines: 46 In a message dated 20/02/97 00:53:50, you write: >Presumably, when the Z380 eventually does get added, it will need some >form of ROM-style memory, and I was under the impression that the SRAM >board would be the place to store that. Will that be possible with the >SRAM board's design? Well, no, not really. Ok it may have SRAM, which may be based on the current design, but the problem is that we would need to know what bus structure we will be using which we don't at the moment. So I think it is best to consider the two as separate items. > >If not, the developers (and indeed ordinary users) will need to buy two >seperate pieces of very similar hardware. All I ask is that the SRAM card >will be future-proofed. In other words, it needs to be: But it can't be, there is no such thing as /future proof/ all you can have is /today proof/ because we don't know what the future will bring. > >1) Writable to (when the button is pressed) by the internal Z80B >2) Readable from by the internal Z80B > >but also > >3) Writable to (when the button is pressed) by an external Z380 >4) Readable from by an external Z380 That would over complicate the board, and would cause a very big delay because we would have to agree a bus for the Z380 first. > >If one processor is disabled when the other is working, to simplify the >design we can preclude the possibility of the two processors clashing; ie >1 or 2 will never happen at the same time as 3 or 4. > >However, I expect that for 3 or 4 to work in future, the board needs to be >modified now (unless these things have already been taken into account). >Which means that some thought is required now as to how the Z380 will be >attached. > >But none of this means that the SRAM card won't work on the pure Sam. > > >Andrew Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 11:28:56 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 06:24:12 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970220062411_-804486127@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: An Open Offer (was Re: A Future Problem.) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 605 Lines: 17 In a message dated 12/02/97 16:07:20, I wrote: > >I now invite Gavin, and everyone else who reads this, to give FORMAT a try >BEFORE thinking about starting a new magazine. FORMAT is the most widely read >SAM magazine - by far, so if people have things they want to say then my >question has to be "where better than FORMAT to say it?" We have ten years >behind us, we have the resources to publish and distribute to the widest >possible audience. Why not support what is already here? Surely you can all >see that this is the best way forward. > >Bob. I notice that this offer has been ignored. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 11:29:06 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 06:24:03 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970220062402_-972026607@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 224 Lines: 12 In a message dated 19/02/97 16:37:24, you write: >> * * This is an 'almost' direct copy of an email I sent to: >> j.d.teare@UCLAN.AC.UK * * > >Why 'almost' ? > > Because there was other stuff that was not relivent. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 11:40:56 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability References: <970220062409_-871594991@emout02.mail.aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 20 Feb 1997 11:32:36 +0000 In-Reply-To: BrenchleyR@aol.com's message of Thu, 20 Feb 1997 06:24:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1013 Lines: 29 BrenchleyR@aol.com writes: > > But it can't be, there is no such thing as /future proof/ all you can have is > /today proof/ because we don't know what the future will bring. A Z380? > > > >1) Writable to (when the button is pressed) by the internal Z80B > >2) Readable from by the internal Z80B > > > >but also > > > >3) Writable to (when the button is pressed) by an external Z380 > >4) Readable from by an external Z380 > > That would over complicate the board, and would cause a very big delay > because we would have to agree a bus for the Z380 first. > > It's either that or redesign when you get to trying to connect the 380, which will both a waste of time, and will mean that people have to buy another SRAM card, which will _not_ please anyone ... -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 11:40:56 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:33:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability In-Reply-To: <970220062409_-871594991@emout02.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1186 Lines: 25 On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >If not, the developers (and indeed ordinary users) will need to buy two > >seperate pieces of very similar hardware. All I ask is that the SRAM card > >will be future-proofed. In other words, it needs to be: > > But it can't be, there is no such thing as /future proof/ all you can have is > /today proof/ because we don't know what the future will bring. I didn't say /future proof/, I said /future proofed/. IE *Some* steps are taken to be forward compatible with whatever we think may come next. And I think we are fairly sure that this will be a Z380 Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Opportunities are usually disguised | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | as hard work, so most people don't | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | recognise them -fortune | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | | -= Enter at your own risk =- | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 11:40:57 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: An Open Offer (was Re: A Future Problem.) References: <970220062411_-804486127@emout03.mail.aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 20 Feb 1997 11:31:03 +0000 In-Reply-To: BrenchleyR@aol.com's message of Thu, 20 Feb 1997 06:24:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1219 Lines: 29 BrenchleyR@aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 12/02/97 16:07:20, I wrote: > > >I now invite Gavin, and everyone else who reads this, to give FORMAT a try > >BEFORE thinking about starting a new magazine. FORMAT is the most widely > read > >SAM magazine - by far, so if people have things they want to say then my > >question has to be "where better than FORMAT to say it?" We have ten years > >behind us, we have the resources to publish and distribute to the widest > >possible audience. Why not support what is already here? Surely you can all > >see that this is the best way forward. > > > >Bob. > > I notice that this offer has been ignored. > Nope, not ignored, but I've been there, done that, decided it wasn't to my taste any more. It was good to start with don't get me wrong, I used to love trying to get a program in Short Spot every issue. I think the best I managed was three months running (Would have made four if Royal Mail hadn't messed up!) -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 11:40:57 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:34:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: An Open Offer (was Re: A Future Problem.) In-Reply-To: <970220062411_-804486127@emout03.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1229 Lines: 29 On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >I now invite Gavin, and everyone else who reads this, to give FORMAT a try > >BEFORE thinking about starting a new magazine. FORMAT is the most widely > read > >SAM magazine - by far, so if people have things they want to say then my > >question has to be "where better than FORMAT to say it?" We have ten years > >behind us, we have the resources to publish and distribute to the widest > >possible audience. Why not support what is already here? Surely you can all > >see that this is the best way forward. > > I notice that this offer has been ignored. > > Bob. Read, considered, and rejected. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Opportunities are usually disguised | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | as hard work, so most people don't | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | recognise them -fortune | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | | -= Enter at your own risk =- | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From imc Thu Feb 20 12:08:02 1997 Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:08:02 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199702192055.UAA28187@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> from "Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com" at Feb 19, 97 08:55:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 518 Lines: 16 On Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:55:23 GMT, Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com said: > On Feb 19, 1997 16:10:04, 'Mr P R Walker ' wrote: > >> SAMSBOSS has given his reasons for being /required/ to use a > 'screen-name'. > >Not /required/. > Yes, REQUIRED, well either that or risk my job. I don't think I personally would work for an employer who forbade me to join a mailing list... In any case, is it right that you are going behind your employer's back by using an anonymous name in this manner? imc From imc Thu Feb 20 12:10:01 1997 Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:10:01 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199702192055.UAA28292@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> from "Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com" at Feb 19, 97 08:55:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 248 Lines: 7 On Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:55:43 GMT, Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com said: > If my car will make it from Liverpool, then I'll be there. So doesn't your employer mind you going to other people's computer fairs then? Will you have to wear a balaclava? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 13:13:48 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:07:13 GMT Subject: Re: An Open Offer (was Re: A Future Problem.) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <2EDAAC9477B@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1255 Lines: 25 > On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > > > >I now invite Gavin, and everyone else who reads this, to give FORMAT a try > > >BEFORE thinking about starting a new magazine. FORMAT is the most widely > > read > > >SAM magazine - by far, so if people have things they want to say then my > > >question has to be "where better than FORMAT to say it?" We have ten years > > >behind us, we have the resources to publish and distribute to the widest > > >possible audience. Why not support what is already here? Surely you can all > > >see that this is the best way forward. > > > > I notice that this offer has been ignored. > > > > Bob. If I remember correctly, I did reply. I'm beginning to wonder if you are having a problem reading my mail - I've sent you about 5 directly, since December, and you have replied to none. Could be a problem at my end, but everyone else is receiving my mail... Also, is the Feb issue of Format out yet cos I haven't received mine (or the Clock and Two-Up I ordered with it). One more thing (apologies to the rest of the list but Bob doesn't seem to be getting my mails), my keyboard is becoming a bit dodgy - how quickly can you send one out to me (can't bear to be without my Sam *sobs*). Thanks Bob... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 13:33:56 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <24683.199702201314@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: An Open Offer (was Re: A Future Problem.) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:14:22 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <970220062411_-804486127@emout03.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Feb 20, 97 06:24:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 197 Lines: 6 > >I now invite Gavin, and everyone else who reads this, to give FORMAT a try > I notice that this offer has been ignored. Nope. I already /have/ a sub to Format, if you check your records. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 13:33:56 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:15:02 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: The Next Step. Message-Id: <19970220131613Z49195-12132+932@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 972 Lines: 34 Date: 1997-02-20 13:18 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: The Next Step. >> From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) >> >> Now I've tried to look at the design - a friend has downloaded the >> >> sram2pcx files, with a view to printing them out for me, but tells me >> that >> >> the programs he has say the .pcx files are corrupt. >> > >> >You are sure these are the right files? Nev???? >> >> When I put then up I also brought them back and used ghostscript to print >> them out as a validation check. >> I don't know why they're so big. > >They are so big because you saved it with a resolution of 6704x4411 :) oops. > >I have converted them to a smaller eps (vector based, not bitmaped). >They are uploaded to nvg and called ./docs/Srameps.zip. Thank you. Nev. ps. I'll still take some printouts to the show this weekend. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 13:33:56 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:15:05 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. Message-Id: <19970220131613Z49196-12132+933@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2190 Lines: 56 Date: 1997-02-20 13:18 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Like I've said, I can't. If this was a mailing list to do with knitting >(anyone know of one?) then it would be different. But its to do with >computers, so I can't. >-- > >Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com I know that many of the readers of this list will never have had a contract of employment so, for their benefit only, I enclose an extract from my own which I got yesterday. It may help you to understand, although not necessarily agree, with samsboss' reasons for staying annonimous. "OTHER BUSINESS INTERESTS You will be expected to devote the whole of your time to the business affairs of Royal Life. You may not, without the prior written consent of Royal Life, engage in any form of business or employment other than your employment with Royal Life whether inside or outside your normal hours of work. Trading in the office, including activities in connection with any loan, club or tontine, is prohibited. You must not undertake any agencies for, give services to, or accept any commission, remuneration, dividends, or other payments (except dividends on shares in public companies) from any other company, firm or individual engaged in insurance or computing or testing without prior consent of Royal Life" Now as you can tell I don't give a F*** for that clause but when I was younger like samsboss it used to scare the crap out of me. I don't know what the exact clause is for SB but it's most likely something similar and if taken to the letter then posting to this list _is_ a breach of contract and a sacking offence. Now can we put this to bed and all be friends (this includes you sammy). The level of _personal_ insults is starting to make this list feel like an election campaign. PPPPLLLLLLEEEEAAAAAASSSSSSEEEEE Nev. _______________________ Quote from some dead yank I may not agree with the words of the honourable gentleman but I will support,even to my death, his right to say it. ---------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 13:33:57 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:15:01 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: The Next Step. Message-Id: <19970220131613Z49194-12132+931@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 824 Lines: 28 Date: 1997-02-20 13:18 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Justin Skists To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: The Next Step. >On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: >> Why do I get the feeling that the next generation of programmers are being >> taught bad habits. >I know.. Blame our lecturers... We get forced into writing code in Modula >2 and Eiffle that no-body uses out in the real world.. Oh I've written many many thousands of lines in Modula-2. One project was over 104,000,000 lines. >(And since when did people write satellite spying software in optimised >Z80 code? :) You would prolly be surprised how many coms processors are based on Z80 it is (was) _the_ most popular processor for embedded systems. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 13:33:57 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:15:12 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. Message-Id: <19970220131628Z49197-12132+934@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1040 Lines: 37 Date: 1997-02-20 13:19 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:16:11 GMT To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users On Feb 19, 1997 17:43:23, 'Stefan Drissen ' wrote: >>>>Could you then _please_ explain this entry in WhoWhere? >>>> >>>>Robert Brenchley >>>>samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (click to send e-mail) >>>>Service Provider: The Pipeline >>> >>>No, can you? >> >>Yes. WhoWhere manages to collate data in some way by scanning emails passing >>through some point (I wouldn't have a clue how it exactly works). My name was >> >>already in there before I'd even heard of the page. The name is simply >>stripped from the mail name - and since samsboss was using Robert Brenchly as >>mail name it was entered into WhoWhere as such. >Many thanks. That solves that little mystery. Hey I'm in there too. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 13:33:58 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:15:15 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: Slight correction.. Message-Id: <19970220131630Z49200-12132+935@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 513 Lines: 20 Date: 1997-02-20 13:19 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:01:12 GMT Subject: Slight correction.. > >Hmm.. I said a while back that Graham Goring would have Email access >again. > >Not any more. He had a gamestesting job for 2 months at Simis. He >left after one week. (Property prices too high to rent or >something). > >Oh well. Caution. REAL world ahead. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 13:33:58 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:18:59 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970220081858_1514646941@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 644 Lines: 19 In a message dated 20/02/97 11:57:51, you write: >> > >It's either that or redesign when you get to trying to connect the >380, which will both a waste of time, and will mean that people have >to buy another SRAM card, which will _not_ please anyone ... For the last time - it is two different things. The SRAM is for SAM, not SAMSON, not the Z380 - the SAM Coupe/elite which is here NOW. If the Z380 needs SRAM then that will be a different project. One that will be looked at if and when we get further down the Z380 route. Just keep in mind - The SRAM is for SAM, to allow it to expand as the first step towards the ASMSON goal. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 13:34:06 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:19:06 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970220081906_1812328221@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Hello Mr Cooke!!! Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 324 Lines: 10 Simon, Had to send this through the list because I'm not sure which email adress you are using now. Are you are going to Wetherby? If so I have the prototype SAM board for you if you still want it. Also have one of the prototype case tops. But will only take them up is I hear from you before mid afternoon Friday. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 13:34:07 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:19:05 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970220081904_1712502429@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 566 Lines: 15 In a message dated 20/02/97 11:57:51, you write: >I didn't say /future proof/, I said /future proofed/. IE *Some* steps are >taken to be forward compatible with whatever we think may come next. And I >think we are fairly sure that this will be a Z380 > > >Andrew But there will still be a lot of work to do getting the desing of the Z380 worked out, it may or may not need its own SRAM, but the SRAM we are talking about has not real connection with the 'extra' processor, so why complicate and delay things by trying to desing /now/ a board we don't need. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 13:34:07 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <25471.199702201321@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:21:00 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199702192055.UAA28187@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> from "Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com" at Feb 19, 97 08:55:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1116 Lines: 33 > >Not /required/. > Yes, REQUIRED, well either that or risk my job. You mean your employer would sack you for taking part in a leisure activity?? Why on earth are you working there?! > >> He is like many, many others on the net in so doing. > >Irrelevant. The others aren't here, he is. > You can't dismiss thousands of other just cos thems not here. Can, and did. They aren't relevant - they aren't posting to this mailing list. > >May we have some of the background, then? I find it very hard to take > >seriously anything posted by someone who refuses to give his name. > Your loss, not mine. Not really. > >> never considered that he had done "massive damage to my name" but then > >He has on this list, but... > Examples please? You can't be /that/ blind, surely? Others have replied to this point anyway, so I'll let them take it up. > I try never to be insulting, but sometimes when you just can't get through > to people, Mr Nice Guy cracks. Thing is, when you "can't get through" it sometimes means you're wrong... Not always, admittedly, but it's usually worth bearing in mind. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 13:38:33 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:41:00 +0000 Subject: Hmmm - almost nothing worth reading. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <4D72861D07@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 474 Lines: 12 Hey kids. Stop it. Ignore samsboss for now. Ok. Good. Could someone tell me the guidelines for upload to nvg? I have that SAMbasic - ASCII text file convertor thingy written in QBASIC that someone probably wanted ages ago and that I still haven't put up there. And I don't want 4 identical replies! (if possible) --- dave --- If you can read this message your browser does not support frames, video, sound, mime, color, text or any of that irratating acidic jelly. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 13:41:22 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:43:38 +0000 Subject: Oh yeh - one other thing X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <4D7D422137@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 245 Lines: 6 How - just **HOW** - does one get a job GAMETESTING?! Seems like a bit of alright to me. --- dave --- If you can read this message your browser does not support frames, video, sound, mime, color, text or any of that irratating acidic jelly. From imc Thu Feb 20 13:42:11 1997 Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:42:11 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <970220081904_1712502429@emout08.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Feb 20, 97 08:19:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 243 Lines: 7 On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:19:05 -0500 (EST), BrenchleyR@aol.com said: > so why complicate > and delay things by trying to desing /now/ a board we don't need. My thoughts exactly... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 13:51:04 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:52:29 +0000 Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <4DA364293C@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 708 Lines: 14 > My thoughts exactly... If this refers to the SRAM board, I have a question: What is it *for*. Not, like, what does it do, but more sort of, why is it even being considered? *WHO* would buy it? I know I wouldn't, it doesn't do much and would cost money. And it doesn't really help much in the SAMSON situation. If the SAMSON is to extend the SAM, the SRAM board should be designed with the SAMSON in mind (ie, compatible, or something). If the SAMSON is a standalone thingie, how does designing & making a SAM-only SRAM board get you anywhere? --- dave --- If you can read this message your browser does not support frames, video, sound, mime, color, text or any of that irratating acidic jelly. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 14:00:54 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:53:40 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: A Question Of Stability Message-Id: <19970220135457Z49190-12132+940@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 286 Lines: 11 Date: 1997-02-20 13:51 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Just keep in mind - The SRAM is for SAM, to allow it to expand as the first >step towards the ASMSON goal. ^^^^^^ you mislept amiga HTH. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 15:14:12 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. References: <19970220131613Z49196-12132+933@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 20 Feb 1997 15:05:02 +0000 In-Reply-To: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life"'s message of Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:15:05 EST Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1707 Lines: 41 "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: > > "OTHER BUSINESS INTERESTS > > You will be expected to devote the whole of your time to the business > affairs of Royal Life. You may not, without the prior written consent of > Royal Life, engage in any form of business or employment other than your > employment with Royal Life whether inside or outside your normal hours of > work. Ooh, I worked for Royal (UK) last summer, it was fun 'coz they're all a top bunch of people, and fond of the odd tipple at lunch time and after work .. many a day did I spend staggering home from Liverpool .. > > You must not undertake any agencies for, give services to, or accept any > commission, remuneration, dividends, or other payments (except dividends on > shares in public companies) from any other company, firm or individual > engaged in insurance or computing or testing without prior consent of Royal > Life" Yes but this is under BUSINESS INTERESTS. This is not a business. He will not get payed for advice given here so that don't matter. Are you trying to tell me that if you helped your next door neighbour to install Windows you'd get sacked for it. Don't be daft ... > taken to the letter then posting to this list _is_ a breach of contract and > a sacking offence. Yes but things like this are applied with common sense .... > Now can we put this to bed and all be friends (this includes you sammy). The Who the hell is sammy .... -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 15:14:12 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability References: <970220081858_1514646941@emout06.mail.aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 20 Feb 1997 15:08:55 +0000 In-Reply-To: BrenchleyR@aol.com's message of Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:18:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1630 Lines: 45 BrenchleyR@aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 20/02/97 11:57:51, you write: > > >> > > > >It's either that or redesign when you get to trying to connect the > >380, which will both a waste of time, and will mean that people have > >to buy another SRAM card, which will _not_ please anyone ... > > For the last time - it is two different things. The SRAM is for SAM, not > SAMSON, not the Z380 - the SAM Coupe/elite which is here NOW. > > If the Z380 needs SRAM then that will be a different project. One that will > be looked at if and when we get further down the Z380 route. > > Just keep in mind - The SRAM is for SAM, to allow it to expand as the first > step towards the ASMSON goal. > If that's the way you'll do things then you won't sell any of these SRAM boards because they make no difference to your system. Take Joe Public : Me: Excuse me, if you give me #15 then I'll give you this board. JP: What does it do ? Me: Puts your ROM into RAM. JP: Eh? What advantages will it have, how will it make my system better ? me: Erm it won't JP: %%% off then ... If however you could say, well it'll help us develop a z380 based system that will run all your games faster etc. then he'd probably be more inclined to part with his hard-earned cash. Or even better sell him a z380 first, and use profits from that to develop the SRAM which'll give a better OS ... -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 16:06:26 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:58:12 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. Message-Id: <19970220155925Z49178-12132+949@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1666 Lines: 50 Date: 1997-02-20 15:59 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: FW: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. From: unknown Date: 20 Feb 1997 15:05:02 +0000 "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: >> >> "OTHER BUSINESS INTERESTS >> >> You must not undertake any agencies for, give services to, or accept any >> commission, remuneration, dividends, or other payments (except dividends on >> shares in public companies) from any other company, firm or individual >> engaged in insurance or computing or testing without prior consent of Royal >> Life" > >Yes but this is under BUSINESS INTERESTS. This is not a business. He >will not get payed for advice given here so that don't matter. Are you >trying to tell me that if you helped your next door neighbour to >install Windows you'd get sacked for it. Don't be daft ... YES. (if I got caught) I used to be a trade union official and have attended more discipline hearings that I care to remember, I refer you to the Trade Union Reform and Employment Rights Act (TURER) 1993. also note the phrase "give services to" >> taken to the letter then posting to this list _is_ a breach of contract and >> a sacking offence. >Yes but things like this are applied with common sense .... OH NO THEY ARE NOT Sorry to shout but I've seen the paranoia of employers first hand (and got sacked for it) and much as I hate to be the one to do it to you, you will have to lose your innocence one day. >> Now can we put this to bed and all be friends (this includes you sammy). The >Who the hell is sammy .... My new pet name for samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 16:22:31 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <14883.199702201613@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: The Next Step. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:13:00 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <19970219125659Z49168-12132+740@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" at Feb 19, 97 07:55:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1181 Lines: 29 > >Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't see this speeding up the sam at /all/, > >if all video and memory accesses still have to be done via the asic, and if > exactly. Nonono, the idea was you'd tell me how it /would/ speed it up! :) Ah well. > I suspect there are _still_ two chains of thought for the Z380. At least, I'd imagine. Probably more. I think a large number of the arguments that have arisen on here are simply due to misunderstandings - people are aiming for different things. > 1. It is an extra processor that will, eventually, run a better basic and > drive new and better i/o devices (eg. hi res video, sound, coms, simm > memory, PC style keyboard controler) and the Z80B and the rest of the sam Sounds reasonable. > will become redundant. But as the new bits are developed the Z80B does > stuff for the Z380 like driving the old video, sound, keyboard etc. This was discussed, I thought - wasn't the conclusion that it would present more problems than it was worth? > I was (am still) under the impression that we were going for 1. Please > correct me if I'm wrong as anything I do, or have done, is most likely No, I think 1 is the target. /Think/. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 16:22:32 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <14266.199702201610@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: FW: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:07:59 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <19970220155925Z49178-12132+949@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" at Feb 20, 97 10:58:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 131 Lines: 7 > also note the phrase "give services to" Hmm. Can talking about ideas really be described as services...? Just wondering. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 16:22:32 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <14474.199702201611@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: the next step To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:10:36 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <19970219125757Z49168-12132+742@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" at Feb 19, 97 07:56:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 820 Lines: 19 > rom. Unlike the sam's own ROM, however, the SRAM board has many 16K pages > not just 2. The idea was (this may be wrong) to allow the sam rom to be > loaded in plus masterbasic plus master dos plus hdos plus other new stuff. Hmm. I can't really see much advantage to this, I must be honest - apart from to developers. It would be useful if the code would /stay/ in the SRAM, acting as a sort of ROM device, but... > Hopefully removing some of the paging problems we have with the current > arrangemnent of having extensions in the sam's ram. Hmm. Got any examples? > Ignore this bit it's samson. I messed that bit up :) It wasn't that I didn't want /anything/ samson related, I just wanted an answer where the main part referred to how it would be used for the Sam, rather than how it might be used for SamSon. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 16:42:21 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:34:51 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: CMS Note Message-Id: <19970220163724Z49196-12132+953@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 661 Lines: 21 Date: 1997-02-20 16:33 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Mr P R Walker Subject: Re: the next step To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:10:36 +0000 (GMT) >> Hopefully removing some of the paging problems we have with the current >> arrangemnent of having extensions in the sam's ram. >Hmm. Got any examples? er off the top of my head? samdos executes in page B so the basic vars have to be paged into page C (i think) so dos can get at them. Masterbasic also executes in page B so there is much paging when it 'talks' to dos. (not bad for home time ?) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 16:42:21 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:37:18 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: The Next Step. Message-Id: <19970220163831Z49196-12132+954@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 950 Lines: 35 Date: 1997-02-20 16:35 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------- From: I7207445 To: NYOUNG1 Subject: Re: The Next Step. Date: 20 February 1997 16:21 From: Mr P R Walker Subject: Re: The Next Step. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:13:00 +0000 (GMT) >> >Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't see this speeding up the sam at /all/, >> >if all video and memory accesses still have to be done via the asic, and if >> exactly. >Nonono, the idea was you'd tell me how it /would/ speed it up] :) Ah well. oh I'll have to get back to you on that. Look latter tonight when I'm at home. >> I suspect there are _still_ two chains of thought for the Z380. >At least, I'd imagine. Probably more. >I think a large number of the arguments that have arisen on here are simply >due to misunderstandings - people are aiming for different things. agreed. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 17:27:34 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:46:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Lee Willis To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. In-Reply-To: <19970220155925Z49178-12132+949@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1287 Lines: 33 On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: ;>>Yes but this is under BUSINESS INTERESTS. This is not a business. He ;>>will not get payed for advice given here so that don't matter. Are you ;>>trying to tell me that if you helped your next door neighbour to ;>>install Windows you'd get sacked for it. Don't be daft ... ;> ;>YES. (if I got caught) ;>I used to be a trade union official and have attended more discipline ;>hearings that I care to remember, I refer you to the Trade Union Reform and ;>Employment Rights Act (TURER) 1993. ;>also note the phrase "give services to" ;> ;>>> taken to the letter then posting to this list _is_ a breach of contract ;>and ;>>> a sacking offence. ;> ;>>Yes but things like this are applied with common sense .... ;>OH NO THEY ARE NOT ;>Sorry to shout but I've seen the paranoia of employers first hand (and got ;>sacked for it) ;>and much as I hate to be the one to do it to you, you will have to lose your ;>innocence one day. ;> Lost that when I was about 17 ... oh the happy days ... -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 17:27:34 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:48:40 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: FW: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. Message-Id: <19970220165020Z49199-12132+955@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1321 Lines: 38 Date: 1997-02-20 16:52 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Mr P R Walker Subject: Re: FW: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:07:59 +0000 (GMT) >> also note the phrase "give services to" >Hmm. Can talking about ideas really be described as services...? >Just wondering. Yes. It all depends on how paranoid an employer is. I know of people who have been sacked on the spot just for talking. "You'll never believe the data corruption I found at work today. All caused by a faulty transistor on the disk pack" " I believe that you were spreading malicious rumours about the reliability and integrety of our data processing systems down at the Nags Head last night. Would you clear your desk out." I know (hope) that most of you will _never_ meet this kind of rough justice but I regret to say that even in this /enlightened/ day and age it still goes on esp in goverment departments (see GCHQ). God help anyone who says the wrong thing at the wrong time to the wrong person after they have signed to OSA. Nev. (going home now) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 17:27:34 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:57:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: The Next Step. In-Reply-To: <14883.199702201613@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1725 Lines: 35 On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Mr P R Walker wrote: > > >Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't see this speeding up the sam at /all/, > > >if all video and memory accesses still have to be done via the asic, and if > > exactly. > > Nonono, the idea was you'd tell me how it /would/ speed it up! :) Ah well. Well basically, according to BOAI issue 2, the accelerator design runs along the following lines: the Sam's internal memory is mirrored on an external memory chip. All reads are taken directly from the external chip (so the Sam's ASIC does not slow the process) but writes are copied to both sets of memory (and would need to be slowed down by the ASIC). This means that changes to the screen WILL be displayed by internal hardware. Existing software should be mostly compatible. However, since ALL instructions involve at least one read, there is a significant speed increase. To make a SamSon board, it should be possible to add more than 512K memory to the external chip. SamSon based programs will run in the extra memory; reads and writes would all be uncontended on this chip, so the only slow cycles would be the writes to video-memory. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Opportunities are usually disguised | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | as hard work, so most people don't | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | recognise them -fortune | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | | -= Enter at your own risk =- | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From imc Thu Feb 20 17:34:53 1997 Subject: Re: FW: CMS Note To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:34:53 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <19970220163724Z49196-12132+953@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" at Feb 20, 97 11:34:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 718 Lines: 16 On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:34:51 EST, YOUNG Neville, IT Life said: > er off the top of my head? > samdos executes in page B so the basic vars have to be paged into page C (i > think) so dos can get at them. Masterbasic also executes in page B so there > is much paging when it 'talks' to dos. It does have to do paging, yes, but I think it actually pages itself out to access them in section B rather than accessing them in section C. The SRAM probably won't be a complete solution, however. If you place the DOS in section A then it will have to jump through hoops to call the ROM. imc PS "CMS Note"? That wouldn't happen to be the "conversational monitor system" would it? Actually, I'm editing this on XEDIT... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 18:20:12 1997 Message-Id: <199702201819.SAA12695@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: The Next Step. Date: 19 Feb 1997 22:41:04 Organization: Heart of Lothian References: <199702182258.WAA27066@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 791 Lines: 16 In a message of 18 Feb 97 Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Sup> I've got the PC version here on my machine at work (used to pass the Sup> time when the main system is down and I cant get at the main files) and Sup> there is no two player more in that version. Sup> Sup> And as for the Ameba, well they always have to go one better than Sup> anyone else. That's because the game (complete with 2 player mode) was originally written on/for Amigas. The rest are just crappy imitations. Although the SAM version was very nice, it was just to slow. ISTR Chris White and the others talking about a /turbo/ mode - where less fps's would have been used, but it looked too jerky. Oh shit. I just answered a Samsboss posting. How stupid of me. :) Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 19:02:48 1997 Message-Id: <199702201904.TAA19790@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Hello Mr Cooke!!! Date: 20 Feb 1997 18:52:02 Organization: Heart of Lothian References: <970220081906_1812328221@emout09.mail.aol.com> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 483 Lines: 15 In a message of 20 Feb 97 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Bac> Simon, Bac> Are you are going to Wetherby? If so I have the prototype SAM board Bac> for you if you still want it. Also have one of the prototype case tops. Bac> But will only take them up is I hear from you before mid afternoon Bac> Friday. He mentioned in an earlier posting that he'll be out of the country on the day. I forget exactly where, but he'll not be there. Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 19:02:48 1997 Message-Id: <199702201904.TAA19801@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Oh yeh - one other thing Date: 20 Feb 1997 18:52:58 Organization: Heart of Lothian References: <4D7D422137@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 536 Lines: 13 In a message of 20 Feb 97 Dave Hooper wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Dave, DH> How - just **HOW** - does one get a job GAMETESTING?! Seems like a bit DH> of alright to me. A friend of mine took a job as a playtester for Sony/Psygnosis in Liverpool. He thought it was going to be a lot of fun playing games, getting 8 quid an hour (basic), and a PC delivered to his home for writing his homework 'reports'. He didn't last much more than a week either. It seems it isn't as good as you'd probably think. :) Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 19:09:15 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <28145.199702201905@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Hello Mr Cooke!!! To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:05:45 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199702201904.TAA19790@mail.enterprise.net> from "Dave Whitmore" at Feb 20, 97 06:52:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 212 Lines: 9 > > He mentioned in an earlier posting that he'll be out of the country on the day. I forget exactly where, but he'll not be there. Dave, you're missing some codes... :) It was Switzerland, by the way. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 19:46:03 1997 Message-ID: <330CA7F2.3028@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:37:22 +0000 From: Neville Young X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Oh yeh - one other thing References: <4D7D422137@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> <199702201904.TAA19801@mail.enterprise.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 414 Lines: 15 Dave Whitmore wrote: > > In a message of 20 Feb 97 Dave Hooper wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: > > Hi Dave, > > DH> How - just **HOW** - does one get a job GAMETESTING?! Seems like a bit > DH> of alright to me. > > A friend of mine took a job as a playtester for Sony/Psygnosis in Liverpool. >He thought it was going to be a lot of fun playing games, >getting 8 quid an hour (basic), only 8 quid From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 19:51:14 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <550.199702201947@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Oh yeh - one other thing To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:47:46 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <330CA7F2.3028@ndirect.co.uk> from "Neville Young" at Feb 20, 97 07:37:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 199 Lines: 7 > >He thought it was going to be a lot of fun playing games, > >getting 8 quid an hour (basic), > only 8 quid Wouldn't sneeze at 8 quid an hour myself... Is that low for playtesting? Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 21:24:02 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Oh yeh - one other thing To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 21:21:44 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <550.199702201947@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> from "Mr P R Walker" at Feb 20, 97 07:47:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 279 Lines: 9 > > >He thought it was going to be a lot of fun playing games, > > >getting 8 quid an hour (basic), > > only 8 quid > > Wouldn't sneeze at 8 quid an hour myself... Is that low for playtesting? > Not really, but gamers are too fick to know the real value of money.... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 22:13:21 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 22:09:02 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: NSSS Show Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 557 Lines: 21 Hello folks. I'm sure you will be devastated to learn that I won't be at the show this weekend. I know that being a member of the Crashed crew, I ought to go, but I am having a few money problems, so I can't even afford my coach ticket :-( But, hey, look on the bright side, you'll get to see me when I go to Gloucester. Ahh, such pleasure. -- _ (_`tewart sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_) kardon Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/cind.html Stewart Skardon online http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 20 22:13:21 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 22:11:23 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Crashed Web Site Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 445 Lines: 19 Go on, check it out. It's a little rough still, but I'm updating it regularly. Honest The address is below. (In case you hadn't seen it.) If anyone feels like giving it a link from their page, feel free. -- _ (_`tewart sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_) kardon Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/cind.html Stewart Skardon online http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 07:59:09 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:54:35 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9702210754.AA04377@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the next step X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 265 Lines: 7 > Hmm. I can't really see much advantage to this, I must be honest - apart from > to developers. It would be useful if the code would /stay/ in the SRAM, acting as a > sort of ROM device, but... Ah! This would increase the wannahave-factor. "Instant OS!" -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 10:35:08 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 05:11:52 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970221051152_-1775917830@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: An Open Offer (was Re: A Future Problem.) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 357 Lines: 15 In a message dated 20/02/97 14:24:38, you write: >> >I now invite Gavin, and everyone else who reads this, to give FORMAT a try >> I notice that this offer has been ignored. > >Nope. I already /have/ a sub to Format, if you check your records. > >Paul Sorry Paul, but I was talking about writing for FORMAT. But thatnks for being a reader anyway. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 10:35:08 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 05:12:04 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970221051203_-1608297478@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1324 Lines: 37 In a message dated 20/02/97 14:25:26, you write: >> My thoughts exactly... > >If this refers to the SRAM board, I have a question: >What is it *for*. Not, like, what does it do, but more sort of, why >is it even being considered? To allow the existing SAM to be expanded with uncontended memory, that can be used in a large number of ways, but in the first instance will be used to help produce an intergrated ROM+DOS+HDOS. >*WHO* would buy it? I know I wouldn't, >it doesn't do much and would cost money. At first it is aimed at the 'hacker' market, those who want to work with the soft-ROM and make changes. Later, as software is perfected for it it may well have a wider application - time will tell. At the moment we don't know how much it will cost but the target is to sell the board without memory (so the user can put in chips of the size s/he wants) so I would think it will be sub 25 pounds. >And it doesn't really help >much in the SAMSON situation. Oh but id does, as I have explained so many times before. > If the SAMSON is to extend the SAM, the >SRAM board should be designed with the SAMSON in mind (ie, >compatible, or something). If the SAMSON is a standalone thingie, how >does designing & making a SAM-only SRAM board get you anywhere? I refer you to the big email of yesterday. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 10:35:08 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 05:12:06 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970221051205_-1574748550@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: A Question Of Stability Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 259 Lines: 12 In a message dated 20/02/97 14:25:38, you write: >>Just keep in mind - The SRAM is for SAM, to allow it to expand as the first >>step towards the ASMSON goal. > ^^^^^^ >you mislept amiga > >HTH. Trust you to notice :) Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 10:35:09 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 05:12:00 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970221051158_-1708823814@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Oh yeh - one other thing Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 271 Lines: 11 In a message dated 20/02/97 14:25:12, you write: >How - just **HOW** - does one get a job GAMETESTING?! >Seems like a bit of alright to me. > >--- dave --- Don't you believe it. (and if you don't believe me then just ask Colin M about play-testing lemmings). Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 10:35:09 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 05:12:05 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970221051200_-1641853062@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 346 Lines: 16 In a message dated 20/02/97 14:25:14, you write: >On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:19:05 -0500 (EST), BrenchleyR@aol.com said: >> so why complicate >> and delay things by trying to desing /now/ a board we don't need. > >My thoughts exactly... > >imc My God!!! Someone agreed with me.... Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 10:35:09 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 05:12:08 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970221051208_-1541539462@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2030 Lines: 63 In a message dated 20/02/97 15:14:30, you write: >BrenchleyR@aol.com writes: >> >> In a message dated 20/02/97 11:57:51, you write: >> >> >> >> > >> >It's either that or redesign when you get to trying to connect the >> >380, which will both a waste of time, and will mean that people have >> >to buy another SRAM card, which will _not_ please anyone ... Why not? If the SAM Coupe SRAM card does its job, and the A.N.Other processor SRAM card does its job, then why wont it please people? Actually, I don't think the Z380 will need SRAM, but at the moment that is just MOPO. >> >> For the last time - it is two different things. The SRAM is for SAM, not >> SAMSON, not the Z380 - the SAM Coupe/elite which is here NOW. >> >> If the Z380 needs SRAM then that will be a different project. One that will >> be looked at if and when we get further down the Z380 route. >> >> Just keep in mind - The SRAM is for SAM, to allow it to expand as the first >> step towards the ASMSON goal. >> > >If that's the way you'll do things then you won't sell any of these >SRAM boards because they make no difference to your system. Of course it does. > >Take Joe Public : > >Me: Excuse me, if you give me #15 then I'll give you this board. >JP: What does it do ? >Me: Puts your ROM into RAM. >JP: Eh? What advantages will it have, how will it make my system better ? >me: Erm it won't ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is the error in your argument, if you read previous postings you will see what is being planned. >JP: %%% off then ... > >If however you could say, well it'll help us develop a z380 based >system that will run all your games faster etc. then he'd probably be >more inclined to part with his hard-earned cash. He may well do, months down the road, when we have a Z380 system. But the SRAM comes first for the reasons given in previous postings. > >Or even better sell him a z380 first, and use profits from that to >develop the SRAM which'll give a better OS ... You cqn't build the house until you dig the foundations. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 14:07:42 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 05:47:42 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970221054742_-1507980601@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello Mr Cooke!!! Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 688 Lines: 23 In a message dated 20/02/97 19:00:52, you write: >In a message of 20 Feb 97 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: > > > Bac> Simon, > Bac> Are you are going to Wetherby? If so I have the prototype SAM board > Bac> for you if you still want it. Also have one of the prototype case tops. > Bac> But will only take them up is I hear from you before mid afternoon > Bac> Friday. > >He mentioned in an earlier posting that he'll be out of the country on the >day. I forget exactly where, but he'll not be there. > >Bye, > >Dave Whitmore Sorry, I did forget, I think I need a rest. Nev! can I come and stay for a few days? I will bring the women if you provide the beds. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 14:07:45 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 05:47:39 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970221054737_-1641848249@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: FW: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 574 Lines: 19 In a message dated 20/02/97 17:44:01, you write: [cut[ > >I know (hope) that most of you will _never_ meet this kind of rough justice >but I regret to say that even in this /enlightened/ day and age it still >goes on esp in goverment departments (see GCHQ). God help anyone who says >the wrong thing at the wrong time to the wrong person after they have signed >to OSA. I signed the OSA many, many years ago - but I am still bound by it. If there was any use for SAM as a secret weapon then I would not be allowed to talk about it. > >Nev. (going home now) Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 14:08:00 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 05:47:41 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970221054740_-1541534777@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: The Next Step. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1895 Lines: 37 In a message dated 20/02/97 17:44:11, you write: >Well basically, according to BOAI issue 2, the accelerator design runs >along the following lines: the Sam's internal memory is mirrored on an >external memory chip. All reads are taken directly from the external chip >(so the Sam's ASIC does not slow the process) but writes are copied to >both sets of memory (and would need to be slowed down by the ASIC). This >means that changes to the screen WILL be displayed by internal hardware. >Existing software should be mostly compatible. However, since ALL >instructions involve at least one read, there is a significant speed >increase. > >To make a SamSon board, it should be possible to add more than 512K memory >to the external chip. SamSon based programs will run in the extra memory; >reads and writes would all be uncontended on this chip, so the only slow >cycles would be the writes to video-memory. > > >Andrew Agreed, but that would be a restrictive use of the Z380. The idea now is to make it an independent processor (with that ability to communicate with the internal SAM to start with). When it is up and running fully it will have its own access to the outside world via disc/hard drive ect, but in the early days SAM will act as a Master in some way and a Slave in others. SAM loades the program file from disc and passes it to the Z380 for execution, Z380 passes back the result to SAM (this would be the first mode, where the Z380 simply acts as a fast co-processor doing small jobs for SAM). Later when the Graphics board is ready the Z380 can run its own displays, eventually the SAM does less and less. In places where the Z380 is referred to please insert the name of your favoured processor, because there is no reason at the moment to limit ourselves to the Z380 (it may at the moment look best, but others can still be looked at before we commit ourselves). Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 14:08:00 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 05:47:49 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970221054747_-1340619705@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the next step Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 417 Lines: 16 In a message dated 21/02/97 07:54:50, you write: >> Hmm. I can't really see much advantage to this, I must be honest - apart >from >> to developers. It would be useful if the code would /stay/ in the SRAM, >acting as a >> sort of ROM device, but... > >Ah! This would increase the wannahave-factor. "Instant OS!" > > -Frode That was the intention (at least I think it was - Nev! Did you put a battery on it?) Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 14:54:05 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:20:05 GMT Message-Id: <199702211120.LAA13529@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 548 Lines: 18 On Feb 20, 1997 11:20:01, 'unknown ' wrote: >All the times you've insulted people, bulldozed other peoples ideas, >all the time people still believe you're Bob whether you like it or >not .. Oooo... Insults, when deserved. Bulldozed, well if the idea is wrong do you just want me to stand by and let them make the mistake? I'm Bob, I'm Bob! Oh hang on a min, if I'm bob, and he lives in Gloucester, then who's doing my work up here? Well, as long as they keeps paying me... -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 14:54:06 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:27:27 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9702211127.AA04722@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the next step X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 499 Lines: 18 > In a message dated 21/02/97 07:54:50, you write: > > >> Hmm. I can't really see much advantage to this, I must be honest - apart > >from > >> to developers. It would be useful if the code would /stay/ in the SRAM, > >acting as a > >> sort of ROM device, but... > > > >Ah! This would increase the wannahave-factor. "Instant OS!" > > > > -Frode > > That was the intention (at least I think it was - Nev! Did you put a battery > on it?) No, he didn't. And he's used TTL circuits too. ;) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 14:54:06 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:28:35 GMT Message-Id: <199702211128.LAA13666@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no, sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 845 Lines: 32 On Feb 19, 1997 07:55:46, '"YOUNG Neville, IT Life" ' wrote: >Date: 1997-02-19 12:45 >Priority: > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >From: Johnna Teare >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:55:43 GMT+0 >Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual > >>But what if I need a chicken vindaloo and a cheese grater. > >Go to ASDA or M&S they do them. > >HTH Nev. -- Prefer Sainsburys meself, getta betta class of women shoppinks there that atta ASDA. See you Sat Nevvy, will bee late over as I gotta sheppered a new sub-system throo testing in the mornings. BTW the new Hard Drive mods work ok, will bring the other one back on Sat. Julie coming? Or has she summit else to smile about :) Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 14:54:07 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:20:08 GMT Message-Id: <199702211120.LAA13534@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 755 Lines: 20 On Feb 20, 1997 11:18:22, 'unknown ' wrote: >> Like I've said, I can't. If this was a mailing list to do with knitting >> (anyone know of one?) then it would be different. But its to do with >> computers, so I can't. > >Why? Does your boss read this. Is he likely to? Be serious. 'I can't be caught >giving out free advice' excuse just doesn't wash. Sorry. -- Look, you start a company that will pay me 20K a year then I will come and work for you and use your rules. Until then it is my boss that calls the tune and his rules that I keep to. I would also point out that my employers employer may well be reading this - they read everything else the crosses the net so why not this. Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From imc Fri Feb 21 14:56:36 1997 Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:56:36 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199702211120.LAA13534@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> from "Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com" at Feb 21, 97 11:20:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 268 Lines: 7 On Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:20:08 GMT, Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com said: > I would also point out that my employers employer may well be reading this > - they read everything else the crosses the net so why not this. Everything that crosses the net?! Is he superman? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 15:13:14 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:39:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Paveley To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: Email Lost :-( Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 892 Lines: 23 Hi all, Unfortunatly the mail spool on this email account was lost last night. I have things set up so that sam-users stuff is filtered off into a different file, but I know I lost a couple of emails, at least one from someone on my list. As anyone whos emailed me directly knows, I tend to take quite a while to get around to replying :) so if any has emailed me directly in the last couple of weeks (to dplinux, not mono), and I've not replied, could you please do so again, and I'll try to get around to repling a tad quicker this time ;) Hmm, maybe I should leave sam-users in my mail spool and filter off other stuff... Tim ....@/ .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 15:13:14 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: the next step To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:00:59 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9702211127.AA04722@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Feb 21, 97 12:27:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 90 Lines: 8 > > No, he didn't. And he's used TTL circuits too. ;) > Is that such a crime?!! -Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 15:48:31 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:49:33 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9702211249.AA04780@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the next step X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 203 Lines: 11 > > > > > No, he didn't. And he's used TTL circuits too. ;) > > > > Is that such a crime?!! Not apart from he would need a 70A battery to keep it with power for anything more than a day. ;) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 15:48:31 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 07:56:46 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: Hello Mr Cooke]]] Message-Id: <19970221125804Z49172-12132+1100@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 906 Lines: 33 Date: 1997-02-21 12:55 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: BrenchleyR@aol.com To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello Mr Cooke]]] In a message dated 20/02/97 19:00:52, you write: >>In a message of 20 Feb 97 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: >> >> >> Bac> Simon, >> Bac> Are you are going to Wetherby? If so I have the prototype SAM board >> Bac> for you if you still want it. Also have one of the prototype case >tops. >> Bac> But will only take them up is I hear from you before mid afternoon >> Bac> Friday. >> >>He mentioned in an earlier posting that he'll be out of the country on the >>day. I forget exactly where, but he'll not be there. >> >>Bye, >> >>Dave Whitmore > >Sorry, I did forget, I think I need a rest. Nev] can I come and stay for a >few days? I will bring the women if you provide the beds. done. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 15:58:51 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:09:41 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9702211309.AA04805@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: Hello Mr Cooke]]] X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 194 Lines: 8 > >Sorry, I did forget, I think I need a rest. Nev] can I come and stay for a > >few days? I will bring the women if you provide the beds. > > done. > May I come too - pretty please? -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 15:58:52 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:10:17 +0100 Message-Id: <97022113101744@morse.ntu.ac.uk> From: CC604050@ntu.ac.uk (ALLAN CLARKSON / NORTHERN SAM & SPECTRUM SHOW) To: SAM-USERS@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Tomorrow, tomorrow... X-VMS-To: SAM-USERS@NVG.UNIT.NO Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 299 Lines: 22 The Second Northern SAM & Spectrum Show takes place TOMORROW! That's the 22nd of Feb, in the Methodist Hall, Wetherby, West Yorkshire (in between Leeds and York). All the top SAM & Spectrum people will be there - make sure you are! http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/cind.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 15:58:52 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:08:15 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: the next step Message-Id: <19970221130945Z49190-12132+1105@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 424 Lines: 23 Date: 1997-02-21 13:04 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: BrenchleyR@aol.com To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the next step >In a message dated 21/02/97 07:54:50, you write: > >> >>Ah] This would increase the wannahave-factor. "Instant OS]" >> >> -Frode >That was the intention (at least I think it was - Nev] Did you put a battery >on it?) yes nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 16:12:02 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:19:40 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9702211319.AA04812@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: the next step X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 163 Lines: 9 > >That was the intention (at least I think it was - Nev] Did you put a > battery > >on it?) > > yes Oh...sorry. Where? There's your selling point btw. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 16:12:02 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:33:02 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: the next step Message-Id: <19970221133412Z49162-12132+1107@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 676 Lines: 28 Date: 1997-02-21 13:17 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the next step >> >> > >> > No, he didn't. And he's used TTL circuits too. ;) >> > >> >> Is that such a crime?]] > >Not apart from he would need a 70A battery to keep it with power >for anything more than a day. ;) > >-Frode There is a battery. It should keep the memory alive for about 2 years. Only the memory is supplied from the battery when the main supply is off. Each memory chip requires 1?A in standby. I will have to check my schematic but I'm sure it's there. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 16:24:27 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:43:22 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: FW: Hello Mr Cooke??? Message-Id: <19970221134554Z49183-12132+1108@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 531 Lines: 25 Date: 1997-02-21 13:22 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: Hello Mr Cooke??? >> >Sorry, I did forget, I think I need a rest. Nev? can I come and stay for a >> >few days? I will bring the women if you provide the beds. >> >> done. >> >May I come too - pretty please? > > -Frode Only if you bring the requisite number of women. (two, or three if you want one for yourself). Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 16:25:11 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:44:02 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: Tomorrow, tomorrow... Message-Id: <19970221134629Z49220-12132+1109@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 518 Lines: 20 Date: 1997-02-21 13:24 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: CC604050@ntu.ac.uk (ALLAN CLARKSON / NORTHERN SAM & SPECTRUM SHOW) To: SAM-USERS@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Tomorrow, tomorrow... >The Second Northern SAM & Spectrum Show takes place TOMORROW] > >That's the 22nd of Feb, in the Methodist Hall, Wetherby, West Yorkshire (in >between Leeds and York). > >All the top SAM & Spectrum people will be there - make sure you are] I'll be there as well. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 16:25:12 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:48:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the next step In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1005 Lines: 24 On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Andrew M Gale wrote: > > > > No, he didn't. And he's used TTL circuits too. ;) > > > > Is that such a crime?!! Not really.. But for battery operated circuitary, you should use CMOS or the 74HCxx variety... TTL is used for speed. Then again, the memory chips (normally available in CMOS) will probably be powerd from the SAM and only require the battery when the power is of.. Those micro-manager ICs will do the trick with the power switching and not that much more expensive.. (You could even use a Ni-Cad battery that would be trickle-charged when the SAM is switched on! :) ) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 17:23:36 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 15:20:03 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9702211420.AA04831@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: FW: Hello Mr Cooke??? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 166 Lines: 11 > Only if you bring the requisite number of women. (two, or three if you want > one for yourself). Rats...I'm a one woman man.... -Frode > > > > Nev. > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 18:26:32 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 17:04:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. In-Reply-To: <9702211456.AA15634@client28.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 946 Lines: 23 On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Ian Collier wrote: > On Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:20:08 GMT, Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com said: > > I would also point out that my employers employer may well be reading this > > - they read everything else the crosses the net so why not this. > > Everything that crosses the net?! Is he superman? He hasn't looked at my web-page, at least. Come on people, I expect fifty feedback form replies by the end of the month! Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Journalism is literature in a hurry | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | -fortune | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 18:40:05 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 18:07:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Feedback Forms (was: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 619 Lines: 19 On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Andrew Collier wrote: > He hasn't looked at my web-page, at least. > > Come on people, I expect fifty feedback form replies by the end of the > month! you'll be lucky, I've only had about 6 from unknown people and I've had a guestbook for over a year. Of course, it could just be that no-one looks at my professionally designed set of pages ;) ....@/ .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 21 19:31:35 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:28:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Feedback Forms (was: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 954 Lines: 23 On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Tim Paveley wrote: > > Come on people, I expect fifty feedback form replies by the end of the > > month! > > you'll be lucky, I've only had about 6 from unknown people and I've had a > guestbook for over a year. Oh? I never noticed you had a feedback page.... I'll take another look... Anyway, what I meant was to get a few replies from people on this list; there have been a couple already (but not nearly enough :-) Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Journalism is literature in a hurry | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | -fortune | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 22 10:12:25 1997 Message-Id: <199702221008.LAA18754@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: Sam users Subject: Test to myself, ignore Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:09:14 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 20 Lines: 1 Mailserver trouble? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 22 11:53:53 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 22 Feb 97 11:50:31 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: NSSS Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 442 Lines: 17 Hello everyone. I thought that while you lot are enjoying yourselves, I would sit at home, sulk, and write you an Email to say that I hope the show turned out well. Hope you all bought a copy of the latest issue of Crashed ;-) -- _ (_`tewart sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_) kardon Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/cind.html Stewart Skardon online http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 22 19:40:18 1997 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 19:37:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Paveley To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: Quiet Init? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 387 Lines: 12 Quiet here init? That's it, I'm gonna have to ensure I go to the next gloucester show, far better than looking at a blank inbox all day ;) Bleet .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 22 19:47:22 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: proton.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 19:48:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: SAM Coupe (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1351 Lines: 45 Morning, just been sent this: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 19:30:04 +0000 From: Shane Smith To: unc@mono.org Subject: SAM Coupe Dear Tim, You may not have heard of me -- but I used run a disk magazine for the SAM quite a while back -- SAM Amateur Programming & Electronics. It only ran for, I think, 7 issues and fizzled away (not enough of a readership I suppose). It was dedicated to decent hardware projects for the SAM, and ran "serious" programming tutorials in assembly and C. It also kind of covered ProDOS. Now, why I'm emailing you: I do not have anything SAM related anymore -- I don't have a SAM or any issues of SAP&E in my posession, and do not know anyone in this country (Ireland) who has. But what I'd like to do, and should've done years ago is let SAP&E into the public domain, ie anyone can have it now. I think that Colin McDonald of FRED may have all issues. I stumbled across your SAM WWW page and thought that if you are interested in uploading SAP&E to somewhere, then go ahead: You (or anyone else) have my full permission. Regards, and luck with the SAM pages, Shane Smith. ------------ End Forwarded ------------ Although I've never bought it myself, hopefully someone on this list has and can do something with it (ftp it to nvg?) Bleet ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 22 19:50:58 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 19:55:43 GMT Subject: Re: Quiet Init? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <1937126BD6@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 460 Lines: 14 > Quiet here init? > > That's it, I'm gonna have to ensure I go to the next gloucester show, far > better than looking at a blank inbox all day ;) > > Bleet > > .........................................................................@/ > Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Yeah, know how you feel *sobs* Except its a bit far from Belfast... I'M BORED AND LONELY *SOBS* Think I'll go and get drunk in Belfast with the girlfriend *sigh* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 23 00:18:32 1997 Message-Id: <199702230016.AAA18853@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: SAM Coupe (fwd) Date: 23 Feb 1997 00:08:10 Organization: Dalmation.. Spots and everyting. References: X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3466 Lines: 82 In a message of 22 Feb 97 Tim Paveley wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Tim, [Shane Smith says..] TP> You may not have heard of me -- but I used run a disk magazine for the TP> SAM quite a while back -- SAM Amateur Programming & Electronics. It only TP> ran for, I think, 7 issues and fizzled away (not enough of a readership TP> I suppose). By the 'eck! Long time since we heard of Shane! :) TP> It was dedicated to decent hardware projects for the SAM, and ran TP> "serious" programming tutorials in assembly and C. It also kind of TP> covered ProDOS. 'Twas an excellent magazine! :) TP> I stumbled across your SAM WWW page and thought that if you are TP> interested in uploading SAP&E to somewhere, then go ahead: You (or TP> anyone else) have my full permission. I've got issues 2,3,4,5&6 all nicely .lha'd in a directory on my hard drive. :) The only problem - well it's not a problem really - is that the disks are each stored as 2*400k raw data dumps. They can be put back onto SAM disks via Paul Walker's nice program on a PC (I've forgot what it's called), or you could split them up and write them to SAM disks using WRITE AT, etc. Listing of archive 'SAP+E2.lha': Original Packed Ratio Date Time Name -------- ------- ----- --------- -------- ------------- 409600 69122 83.1% 26-Sep-96 16:27:14 Side1.BIN 409600 210 99.9% 26-Sep-96 16:27:40 Side2.BIN -------- ------- ----- --------- -------- 819200 69332 91.5% 22-Feb-97 23:44:22 2 files Listing of archive 'SAP+E3.lha': Original Packed Ratio Date Time Name -------- ------- ----- --------- -------- ------------- 409600 95621 76.6% 26-Sep-96 16:32:08 Side1.BIN 409600 21477 94.7% 26-Sep-96 16:32:34 Side2.BIN -------- ------- ----- --------- -------- 819200 117098 85.7% 22-Feb-97 23:44:22 2 files Listing of archive 'SAP+E4.lha': Original Packed Ratio Date Time Name -------- ------- ----- --------- -------- ------------- 409600 87273 78.6% 26-Sep-96 16:35:12 Side1.BIN 409600 73104 82.1% 26-Sep-96 16:35:38 Side2.BIN -------- ------- ----- --------- -------- 819200 160377 80.4% 22-Feb-97 23:44:22 2 files Listing of archive 'SAP+E5.lha': Original Packed Ratio Date Time Name -------- ------- ----- --------- -------- ------------- 409600 104740 74.4% 26-Sep-96 16:38:10 Side1.BIN 409600 46113 88.7% 26-Sep-96 16:38:36 Side2.BIN -------- ------- ----- --------- -------- 819200 150853 81.5% 22-Feb-97 23:44:22 2 files Listing of archive 'SAP+E6.lha': Original Packed Ratio Date Time Name -------- ------- ----- --------- -------- ------------- 409600 256871 37.2% 26-Sep-96 16:41:06 Side1.BIN 409600 29156 92.8% 26-Sep-96 16:41:32 Side2.BIN -------- ------- ----- --------- -------- 819200 286027 65.0% 22-Feb-97 23:44:22 2 files (I can be sooooooo annoying sometimes!) TP> Although I've never bought it myself, hopefully someone on this list TP> has and can do something with it (ftp it to nvg?) I'd ftp these up, but the file format isn't very common. I can't use Teledisk because it wont run on my Amiga PC emulator. :( I suppose I could stick them on my web page temporarily and someone could write the files back to SAM disk and make TD0's out of them? I'll only put them on the home page if someone is serious about doing this. Anyone interested? I also know someone who's bound to have issues 1 & 7. Bye, Dave Whitmore From imc Sun Feb 23 13:54:07 1997 Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 13:54:07 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <970221051200_-1641853062@emout17.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Feb 21, 97 05:12:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 558 Lines: 19 On Fri, 21 Feb 1997 05:12:05 -0500 (EST), BrenchleyR@aol.com said: > In a message dated 20/02/97 14:25:14, you write: > >On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:19:05 -0500 (EST), BrenchleyR@aol.com said: > >> so why > complicate > >> and delay things by trying to desing /now/ a board we don't need. > > > >My thoughts exactly... > > > >imc > Someone agreed with me.... Oh no I didn't - I was referring to the SRAM board. [Andrew told me you'd say that, and has now sent me an "I told you so" message...] imc From imc Sun Feb 23 13:58:00 1997 Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 13:58:00 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <970219084746_-2009739075@emout08.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Feb 19, 97 08:47:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 418 Lines: 11 On Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:47:47 -0500 (EST), BrenchleyR@aol.com said: > SAMSBOSS has given his reasons for being /required/ to use a 'screen-name'. > He is like many, many others on the net in so doing. ^^^^^^^^^^ No, sorry, I don't believe you. Name three. (People who post to "sensitive" newsgroups don't count as they have a legitimate reason for being anonymous. Sam-users is not "sensitive".) imc From imc Sun Feb 23 14:01:42 1997 Subject: Re: The Next Step. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 14:01:42 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <970218091242_-1240383329@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Feb 18, 97 09:12:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 533 Lines: 12 On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:12:46 -0500 (EST), BrenchleyR@aol.com said: > >> In a message dated 17/02/97 13:28:31, you write: > >Can you please sort out your quoting so it gives some indication of > >who wrote it, saying you write is really no good on a mailing list ... > > Well its all you are getting because it is all that the software can do. I don't really believe you can't get the software to do it, but anyway, assuming that's true, is it too much to ask for you just to delete the "you write" and insert "Fred writes"? imc From imc Sun Feb 23 14:06:48 1997 Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 14:06:48 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <970218083512_1845685930@emout10.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Feb 18, 97 08:35:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1241 Lines: 33 On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 08:35:12 -0500 (EST), BrenchleyR@aol.com said: > There seems to be a feeling that SAM, as it stands, has a stable enough > Basic/DOS to allow the next phase of development to go ahead without the need > for more work to be done on the system using the SRAM card. True. > Could I just remind people that last year, I think before the talk of the > SAMSON project was raised, there were quite a few messages going through this > list that said exactly the opposite. > There were complaints about SAM C. That has nothing to do with it, since whatever we develop won't be written in Sam C, and in any case Sam C won't be going on the SRAM will it? > There were complaints about HDOS. I don't know anything about that. > There were complaints about bugs in the ROM. Yes, there are a few irritating bugs in BASIC. This doesn't affect development though because it doesn't involve large Sam BASIC programs, does it? It shouldn't be too hard to write an EPROM to fix the most important things, and anything else can wait. > There were complaints about bugs in DOS. So fix them. You don't need an SRAM card to fix the DOS because, get this, the DOS is stored on disk and not in the ROM so it's easy to replace. imc From imc Sun Feb 23 14:10:33 1997 Subject: Re: SimCoupe at nvg To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 14:10:33 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9702170838.AA09853@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Feb 17, 97 09:38:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 561 Lines: 18 On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 09:38:13 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > > On Fri, 14 Feb 1997 09:12:36 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > > > It's compiled with MIT-SHM. Perhaps that's the problem? > > What release of X is it compiled with? > > (We have X11R5 on our SunOS machines and X11R6.1 on our Solaris machines. > > Ho hum...) > Have you got problems too? No (I haven't tried it) but I was just suggesting possible reasons why whoever else it was couldn't get it to work. Incidentally, I bet you haven't compiled it for Solaris on the i86pc architecture! :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 23 16:06:12 1997 Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 16:03:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability In-Reply-To: <9702231354.AA17448@client28.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 740 Lines: 22 On Sun, 23 Feb 1997, Ian Collier wrote: > On Fri, 21 Feb 1997 05:12:05 -0500 (EST), BrenchleyR@aol.com said: > > Someone agreed with me.... > > Oh no I didn't - I was referring to the SRAM board. Bob's still deluding himself. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Journalism is literature in a hurry | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | -fortune | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 23 20:33:45 1997 Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 20:13:36 GMT Message-Id: <199702232013.UAA26176@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Sorry, Missed The Show From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com () Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: () X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 415 Lines: 14 Sorry to have missed the show on Saturday, got tied up with error fixing in the new system at work and did not leave until late afternoon. Still, I understandy that most of you lot missed it as well. Still it was nice to see Bob and Nev this morning and they filled me in on all the details. Looking forward to Gloucester, am booking a couple of days off to make sure I get to that one. - - Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 23 20:33:45 1997 Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 20:13:41 GMT Message-Id: <199702232013.UAA26197@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: The Next Step. From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com () Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: () X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 691 Lines: 22 On Feb 23, 1997 14:01:42, 'Ian Collier ' wrote: >On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:12:46 -0500 (EST), BrenchleyR@aol.com said: >> >> In a message dated 17/02/97 13:28:31, you write: >> >Can you please sort out your quoting so it gives some indication of >> >who wrote it, saying you write is really no good on a mailing list ... >> >> Well its all you are getting because it is all that the software can do. > >I don't really believe you can't get the software to do it, but anyway, >assuming that's true, is it too much to ask for you just to delete the >"you write" and insert "Fred writes"? > >imc Then again praps he be to busy. - - Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 23 20:33:45 1997 Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 20:14:04 GMT Message-Id: <199702232014.UAA26286@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com () Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: () X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1165 Lines: 34 On Feb 23, 1997 13:58:00, 'Ian Collier ' wrote: >On Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:47:47 -0500 (EST), BrenchleyR@aol.com said: >> SAMSBOSS has given his reasons for being /required/ to use a 'screen-name'. >> He is like many, many others on the net in so doing. >^^^^^^^^^^ > >No, sorry, I don't believe you. Name three. > >(People who post to "sensitive" newsgroups don't count as they have a >legitimate reason for being anonymous. Sam-users is not "sensitive".) > >imc If you mean use a screen name that has no relation to the real name, then how about at least 30% of AOL users and 100% of Compuserve users. If you mean /required/ then I would say anyone who, like me, wants to keep their job. Many writers for magazines (an example would be 'The Harpest' who writes for CVu - the Journal of the Association of C & C++ User which I have recently subscribed to). And, from the last time the list of Sam-users was posted, it would seem several others on this list. And I think this mailing list is very sensitive, kind, loving and caring. - - Samsboss. (Not the Bob, Not the Nev, Not the JW, Not the Colin) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 09:31:00 1997 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:05:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@damson.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. In-Reply-To: <199702232014.UAA26286@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 560 Lines: 14 On Sun, 23 Feb 1997 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > Samsboss. > (Not the Bob, Not the Nev, Not the JW, Not the Colin) I sure do hope you're not me either... :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 09:42:27 1997 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970224094702.00945c10@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:47:02 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 569 Lines: 17 At 23:08 18/02/97 GMT, you wrote: >>Does anybody know of a source of the Sam Technical Manual? Or perhaps >could >>someone lend me their copy for a few days so I can copy it? [cut] > >Stacey, correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression yor are not >reading Format. Everything you need it in there. Now that's the biggest pile of bollocks I've ever read from you. If someone wants a technical manual, they want a technical manual. They do not want a magazine which may not cover (or may alread have covered many moons ago) the information they need. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 09:56:35 1997 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970224095823.0095ebb8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:58:23 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 705 Lines: 21 At 10:46 19/02/97 +0000, you wrote: >> >BTW: This is a fakemail. Not really from samsboss. As you probably guessed >> >already actually. >> >> Nice fake simon. >> > >No it wasn't, it was appalingly obvious .... ;) *grins* The time to worry is when I post fakemails *without* the obvious headers. Mind you, strictly I could get into a lot more trouble if I did that, and I didn't want this to be untraceable (just so that I could be sure people *DID* work out it was from me and not samsboss). Mind you, the above paragraph sound like I'm making excuses, so I'll stop now :) Samsboss is currently on a week's probation. If after that week I still feel the way I do now, he's being kill-filed. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 10:10:11 1997 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970224101350.0095cd34@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:13:50 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 495 Lines: 13 At 17:43 19/02/97, you wrote: >Yes. WhoWhere manages to collate data in some way by scanning emails passing >through some point (I wouldn't have a clue how it exactly works). My name was >already in there before I'd even heard of the page. The name is simply >stripped from the mail name - and since samsboss was using Robert Brenchly as >mail name it was entered into WhoWhere as such. It's actually usenet news that it grabs the email address from, but the principle's sound. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 10:10:11 1997 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970224101351.00954a24@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:13:51 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 224 Lines: 9 At 20:55 19/02/97 GMT, you wrote: >Like I've said, I can't. If this was a mailing list to do with knitting >(anyone know of one?) then it would be different. But its to do with >computers, so I can't. Ok. Why not? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 10:10:11 1997 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970224101352.0092eff4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:13:52 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: FW: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2757 Lines: 64 At 08:15 20/02/97 EST, you wrote: Contract break-down: >You will be expected to devote the whole of your time to the business >affairs of Royal Life. You may not, without the prior written consent of >Royal Life, engage in any form of business or employment other than your >employment with Royal Life whether inside or outside your normal hours of >work. ie. You can't moonlight -- more strictly interpreted, this means that you can't work in any area which would conflict with Royal Life's business. >Trading in the office, including activities in connection with any loan, >club or tontine, is prohibited. i.e. no monetary transactions must go through the office. Very important for an insurance broker this one -- they've got to be highly strict regarding money - including personal financial debt. >You must not undertake any agencies for, give services to, or accept any >commission, remuneration, dividends, or other payments (except dividends on >shares in public companies) from any other company, firm or individual >engaged in insurance or computing or testing without prior consent of Royal >Life" > In the use of the word "services" in this instance, it means in a business related sense -- ie. you can't go around giving out advice which the company could charge for. SAM mailing lists, however, don't come into that class. Services also means, more specifically, anything which could be described as work related, in terms of securing contracts, programming for other people, etc etc. I wish I could express what I'm trying to say more eloquently, but I'm jet-lagged and it's early monday morning :) >Now as you can tell I don't give a F*** for that clause but when I was >younger like samsboss it used to scare the crap out of me. I don't know what >the exact clause is for SB but it's most likely something similar and if >taken to the letter then posting to this list _is_ a breach of contract and >a sacking offence. It is if you're doing it on work time, but from home it's no problem -- it's private correspondance with a group of individuals. It would be like saying that you couldn't have 3-way calling with a few friends, or phone chatlines. >Now can we put this to bed and all be friends (this includes you sammy). The >level of _personal_ insults is starting to make this list feel like an >election campaign. > >PPPPLLLLLLEEEEAAAAAASSSSSSEEEEE > >Nev. >_______________________ >Quote from some dead yank >I may not agree with the words of the honourable gentleman >but I will support,even to my death, his right to say it. > ---------------------------------------- *grins* But if he's still going to insult people, I support, to the death, other people's right to ignore him :) He can still say it though... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 10:15:29 1997 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:13:24 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9702241013.AA06562@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 728 Lines: 18 > >> Would someone care to explain why the change of heart? > > > >Indeed - they are buggy. I can only speak for myself, but I feel that > >we should not take an old product(s), already full of bugs, port it to a > >virtually new platform, with the danger of introducing new bugs in > >the processes. > > That, in some ways, may just prove to be the fun part. It was with GDOS when > Nev and I did that for Bruce. GDOS is only 6.5K object code. I have reverse engineered more than that. We are talking about quite complex 32K ROM + 14K DOS + ?K HDOS. Though, it might be fun, it will take a lot of effort. However, as I see the need to pull in one direction, I am with you Bob, though, you know my point of view. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 10:20:36 1997 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970224102343.00959194@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:23:43 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Moving House! Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 305 Lines: 13 Hi all, I've moved: my new address is: ******************************************** * 263 Tyldesley Road, Atherton, Lancashire * ******************************************** Please update all your address books / whathaveyou. Same goes to any magazine publishers who swap mags with me. Cheers! Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 10:20:36 1997 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970224102344.0096c9f8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:23:44 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 140 Lines: 10 At 20:14 23/02/97 GMT, you wrote: >Samsboss. >(Not the Bob, Not the Nev, Not the JW, Not the Colin) *chortles* How about the IS? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 10:20:37 1997 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970224102344.009312d0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:23:44 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Sorry, Missed The Show Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 247 Lines: 10 Idea! Ping! Samsboss: tell us what stuff you've written, or which issues of FRED you've written in (if you have). That way, we can all work out who you are, and you won't have to drop your name into the list. Your identity will be safe! Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 11:15:13 1997 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:11:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@fir.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970224095823.0095ebb8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 943 Lines: 22 On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > Samsboss is currently on a week's probation. If after that week I still feel > the way I do now, he's being kill-filed. With all this arguing about Samsboss, I was this close (>--<) to unsubscribing (not that I'll be sorely missed anyway, me thinks). I'm beginning to get to the stage where I don't care who Samsboss is. I don't listen to people that doesn't want to let me know who they are anyway... BTW, was the show any good? I'll try and make the next one. When is the Gloucester show anyway? -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 11:26:11 1997 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970224112954.0097b974@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:29:54 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: The Next Step. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 678 Lines: 22 At 04:50 18/02/97 -0500, you wrote: >Status: O > >In a message dated 17/02/97 11:07:23, you write: > >[cut] >>Nope - completely different design for the "two in parallel" design, namely >>because two separate processors have to be able to access it... >> >>Simon > >Not really, the two processors just need to communicate. I'm loathe to do this really -- it can cause more problems in the design than simply taking the Z80 out of the loop. When Martin and I have a viable workshop again (hey! I now live 10 mins walk from Martin!) we can start working on the Z380 prototype -- with the statemachine in there too. Anyone got any experience with PAL/GAL programming. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 11:26:11 1997 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970224112957.0092b838@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:29:57 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: The Next Step. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 547 Lines: 16 At 12:07 18/02/97 +0000, you wrote: >And yes most people would say they were happy with the speed that >their software runs, but try asking them if they'd _prefer_ it if it >was faster. SAMpaint is fast as is but if it was even faster it'd be >instantaneous, the same with comet etc. etc. > Speaking of which, you wouldn't believe what a godsend the existing accelerator prototype is when coding in COMET. Let's put it this way: MasterDOS compiles in between 30s and 2 mins, whereas using the normal SAM, it takes about 6 mins. Cool eh? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 11:26:11 1997 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970224112958.0097a41c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:29:58 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1519 Lines: 42 At 08:35 18/02/97 -0500, you wrote: >Status: O > >There seems to be a feeling that SAM, as it stands, has a stable enough >Basic/DOS to allow the next phase of development to go ahead without the need >for more work to be done on the system using the SRAM card. > >Could I just remind people that last year, I think before the talk of the >SAMSON project was raised, there were quite a few messages going through this >list that said exactly the opposite. > >There were complaints about SAM C. Still these complaints remain -- but there's no way of fixing it, as we have no access to the source code. >There were complaints about HDOS. Nev's slowly fixing these, so the jury's still out. >There were complaints about bugs in the ROM. We need a *comprehensive* *canonical* list of these bugs, and ways of generating them, so that we can work out exactly where they lie. >There were complaints about bugs in DOS. Not seen them myself --- oh yes, the bugs in the DOS with the hook codes. Now I know what you mean. Yes. >All of a sudden, everybody loves the ROM/DOS/HDOS??? I'm told, left, right, >and centre, that there is no need to rework the SAM operating system, we can >go on an do the Z380 with what we have. > >Would someone care to explain why the change of heart? It's just that the Z380 accelerator board would work with existing software and give an *immediate* boost to everything. The SRAM board and the new O/S would take a lot of time to get right, and most people wouldn't see the need. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 11:26:11 1997 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970224113007.00988ff0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:30:07 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: The Next Step. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 739 Lines: 20 At 04:58 19/02/97 EST, you wrote: >>Of course they would say that. There no software that isn't running at an >>unacceptable speed because at the moment, they don't need it. I'm forever >>getting peed off because the Z80B isn't running fast enough to run my >>code at an acceptable speed. Code super-duper-optimisation may be an >>answer, but I'm not a demo programmer... > >Why do I get the feeling that the next generation of programmers are being >taught bad habits. > > Nev Well, you've got to admit he has a point. But then, he probably is trying to write a game -- which with 24k of screen memory to move around per frame, takes a fair whack of your processor capacity. (still, optimisation is indeed the name of the game) Simon From imc Mon Feb 24 11:53:14 1997 Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:53:14 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at Feb 24, 97 11:11:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 239 Lines: 7 On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:11:55 +0000 (GMT), Justin Skists said: > BTW, was the show any good? I'll try and make the next one. When is the > Gloucester show anyway? I believe it's the 19th of April - the day I fly out to Frankfurt... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 11:54:15 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:48:38 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Sorry, Missed The Show X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <90C9A25DBA@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 450 Lines: 17 > Idea! Ping! > > Samsboss: tell us what stuff you've written, or which issues of FRED you've > written in (if you have). > > That way, we can all work out who you are, and you won't have to drop your > name into the list. Your identity will be safe! Ahhh..but I betcha his boss is an avid reader of FRED now. > Simon > > Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From imc Mon Feb 24 11:59:14 1997 Subject: Re: The Next Step. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:59:14 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199702232013.UAA26197@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> from "samsboss@uk.pipeline.com" at Feb 23, 97 08:13:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 582 Lines: 16 On Sun, 23 Feb 1997 20:13:41 GMT, samsboss@uk.pipeline.com said: > On Feb 23, 1997 14:01:42, 'Ian Collier ' > wrote: > > is it too much to ask for you just to delete the > >"you write" and insert "Fred writes"? > Then again praps he be to busy. Why is he on this list then? Consider the amount of time it takes to type "samsboss writes:" (about 2.5 seconds in my case) and the amount of time it takes to write the rest of the email. That extra 2.5 seconds is rather insignificant on the big scale of things, is it not? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 12:08:38 1997 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:55:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: The Next Step. In-Reply-To: <970221054740_-1541534777@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1137 Lines: 27 On Fri, 21 Feb 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >means that changes to the screen WILL be displayed by internal hardware. > >Existing software should be mostly compatible. However, since ALL > >instructions involve at least one read, there is a significant speed > >increase. > > > >To make a SamSon board, it should be possible to add more than 512K memory > >to the external chip. SamSon based programs will run in the extra memory; > >reads and writes would all be uncontended on this chip, so the only slow > >cycles would be the writes to video-memory. > > Agreed, but that would be a restrictive use of the Z380. Why? Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Journalism is literature in a hurry | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | -fortune | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 12:08:39 1997 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:59:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@fir.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: The Next Step. In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970224113007.00988ff0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1276 Lines: 26 On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > Well, you've got to admit he has a point. But then, he probably is trying to > write a game -- which with 24k of screen memory to move around per frame, > takes a fair whack of your processor capacity. I'm trying to convert an average 70K (max = 192K at the moment) of data to something I can work with at the current SAM speed. The trouble is, I would like it to do it in less that 10 seconds. Is it possible? Current timing is around 80-90 seconds for the 70K file.. But I know how I can make it a lot faster. For a start, I'm doing the same calculation do get a floating point number over and over again.. And my routines to read and write bytes from different pages are, basically, crap. I should use some sort of buffering. > (still, optimisation is indeed the name of the game) But optimisation is not always enough... :( -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 12:08:40 1997 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 07:00:15 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: A Question Of Stability Message-Id: <19970224120038Z49190-12132+1525@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 332 Lines: 16 Date: 1997-02-24 11:47 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: A Question Of Stability >>There were complaints about HDOS. >Nev's slowly fixing these, so the jury's still out. (very) slowly. From imc Mon Feb 24 12:14:31 1997 Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:14:31 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199702232014.UAA26286@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> from "samsboss@uk.pipeline.com" at Feb 23, 97 08:14:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 539 Lines: 13 On Sun, 23 Feb 1997 20:14:04 GMT, samsboss@uk.pipeline.com said: > On Feb 23, 1997 13:58:00, 'Ian Collier ' > wrote: > >No, sorry, I don't believe you. Name three. > If you mean use a screen name that has no relation to the real name, then > how about at least 30% of AOL users and 100% of Compuserve users. Err, no. I'm talking about people who remain anonymous. That is, they use a screen name that has no relation to the real name *and* they don't put their real name anywhere in any message. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 12:20:25 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <26755.199702241213@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:12:59 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970224094702.00945c10@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Feb 24, 97 09:47:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 325 Lines: 9 > If someone wants a technical manual, they want a technical manual. They do > not want a magazine which may not cover (or may alread have covered many > moons ago) the information they need. Much as I hate to defend him, you've misunderstood - he was referring to the fact that Format /sell/ the Technical manual... Paul From imc Mon Feb 24 12:20:52 1997 Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:20:52 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199702232014.UAA26286@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> from "samsboss@uk.pipeline.com" at Feb 23, 97 08:14:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 512 Lines: 13 I forgot to add... On Sun, 23 Feb 1997 20:14:04 GMT, samsboss@uk.pipeline.com said: > If you mean /required/ then I would say anyone who, like me, wants to keep > their job. Many writers for magazines (an example would be 'The Harpest' > who writes for CVu - the Journal of the Association of C & C++ User which I > have recently subscribed to). I repeat my question: if your employer forbids you to be on this list then how can you defend the fact that you are indeed on it, whether anonymously or not? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 12:37:57 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <27487.199702241223@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:23:13 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9702231358.AA17488@client28.comlab.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian Collier" at Feb 23, 97 01:58:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 225 Lines: 7 > > He is like many, many others on the net in so doing. > No, sorry, I don't believe you. Name three. You're looking in the wrong places, Ian. PhreeX, unknown3, and unknown for starters, and that's just from memory. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 12:37:58 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: The Show To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:32:44 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <26755.199702241213@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> from "Mr P R Walker" at Feb 24, 97 12:12:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 48 Lines: 4 So then.... the show - what did I miss? -Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 12:37:58 1997 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970224123800.009856d4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:38:00 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Oh yeh - one other thing Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 219 Lines: 10 At 13:43 20/02/97 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >How - just **HOW** - does one get a job GAMETESTING?! >Seems like a bit of alright to me. Simple - phone up a games company and ask if they have any vacancies Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 12:37:59 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <27802.199702241226@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:26:26 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9702211456.AA15634@client28.comlab.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian Collier" at Feb 21, 97 02:56:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 91 Lines: 4 > Everything that crosses the net?! Is he superman? Certainly very busy, I'd imagine... From imc Mon Feb 24 12:42:10 1997 Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:42:10 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <27487.199702241223@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> from "Mr P R Walker" at Feb 24, 97 12:23:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 206 Lines: 7 On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:23:13 +0000 (GMT), Mr P R Walker said: > You're looking in the wrong places, Ian. PhreeX, unknown3, > and unknown for starters, and that's just from memory. Who are they then? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 13:47:13 1997 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970224130918.0093c4c4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:09:18 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: FW: the next step Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 601 Lines: 16 At 08:33 21/02/97 EST, you wrote: >There is a battery. It should keep the memory alive for about 2 years. >Only the memory is supplied from the battery when the main supply is >off. Each memory chip requires 1?A in standby. > >I will have to check my schematic but I'm sure it's there. > >Nev. You do realise that if people are going to do this kind of thing (ie leave the system running from SRAM programs) for any length of time, we're going to have to have a few blocks of Reed-Solomon ECC near the end of the memory to correct all of the bit errors which will creep in as time goes on... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 13:47:13 1997 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970224130920.0093d728@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:09:20 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 974 Lines: 28 At 11:11 24/02/97 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > >> Samsboss is currently on a week's probation. If after that week I still feel >> the way I do now, he's being kill-filed. > >With all this arguing about Samsboss, I was this close (>--<) to >unsubscribing (not that I'll be sorely missed anyway, me thinks). Unsurprisingly, I've been feeling like that for quite some time now. I'll carry on doing BOAI though -- but my involvement in the SAM world is slowly waning. The worrying thing is, I'm beginning not to care about that fact any more. >I'm beginning to get to the stage where I don't care who Samsboss is. I >don't listen to people that doesn't want to let me know who they are >anyway... > >BTW, was the show any good? I'll try and make the next one. When is the >Gloucester show anyway? I dunno -- didn't go :) Was in bed, jetlagged, and sleeping after returning from the land of the Swiss on Friday night. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 13:47:13 1997 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970224130923.00946c9c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:09:23 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: SAM Technical Manual Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 423 Lines: 15 At 12:12 24/02/97 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > > >> If someone wants a technical manual, they want a technical manual. They do >> not want a magazine which may not cover (or may alread have covered many >> moons ago) the information they need. > >Much as I hate to defend him, you've misunderstood - he was referring to the >fact that Format /sell/ the Technical manual... Oh bum. You're right there. Sorry SB. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 13:47:14 1997 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 08:21:10 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: The Show Message-Id: <19970224132306Z49247-12132+1544@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 389 Lines: 16 Date: 1997-02-24 13:00 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: The Show To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:32:44 +0000 (GMT) > So then.... the show - what did I miss? Well. There was this drop dead gorgeous blonde female on the door. Not much else besides. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 13:47:15 1997 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 08:21:50 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. Message-Id: <19970224132306Z49248-12132+1545@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 521 Lines: 20 Date: 1997-02-24 13:01 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ian Collier Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:42:10 +0000 (GMT) >On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:23:13 +0000 (GMT), Mr P R Walker said: >> You're looking in the wrong places, Ian. PhreeX, unknown3, >> and unknown for starters, and that's just from memory. >Who are they then? Er dunno. they're anonimous. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 13:59:46 1997 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:53:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@kola.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: The Show In-Reply-To: <19970224132306Z49247-12132+1544@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 571 Lines: 15 On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > > So then.... the show - what did I miss? > > Well. There was this drop dead gorgeous blonde female on the door. Drats! -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 14:49:19 1997 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:14:26 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9702241414.AA06823@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 193 Lines: 6 > I dunno -- didn't go :) Was in bed, jetlagged, and sleeping after returning > from the land of the Swiss on Friday night. You don't get jetlagged by crossing _one_ timezone..... ;) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 14:49:19 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. References: <27487.199702241223@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 24 Feb 1997 14:20:29 +0000 In-Reply-To: Mr P R Walker's message of Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:23:13 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 700 Lines: 20 Mr P R Walker writes: > > > > He is like many, many others on the net in so doing. > > No, sorry, I don't believe you. Name three. > > You're looking in the wrong places, Ian. PhreeX, unknown3, > and unknown for starters, and that's just from memory. > if this^^^^^^ is meant to be me then I am not anonymous if anyone would look at the headers my username is in there and I've never declined to say who I am ... Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 14:49:34 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: The Show References: <19970224132306Z49247-12132+1544@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 24 Feb 1997 14:29:34 +0000 In-Reply-To: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life"'s message of Mon, 24 Feb 1997 08:21:10 EST Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 689 Lines: 20 "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: > Andrew Gale wrote .. > > > So then.... the show - what did I miss? > > Well. There was this drop dead gorgeous blonde female on the door. > Not much else besides. > Was that the same one that's been there the last couple of times that I've been ( A while ago now admittedly ..) that Colin Anderton was trying to chat up [Oops I said I'd never mention that again...Sorry Colin] -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 15:54:06 1997 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:24:21 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. Message-Id: <19970224152559Z49201-12132+1566@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 434 Lines: 16 Date: 1997-02-24 15:05 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. >> I dunno -- didn't go :) Was in bed, jetlagged, and sleeping after returning >> from the land of the Swiss on Friday night. >You don't get jetlagged by crossing _one_ timezone..... ;) maybe he went East ?. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 15:54:08 1997 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:33:33 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: The Show Message-Id: <19970224153423Z49224-12132+1569@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 772 Lines: 27 Date: 1997-02-24 15:09 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: unknown Date: 24 Feb 1997 14:29:34 +0000 >"YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: >> Andrew Gale wrote .. >> > >> So then.... the show - what did I miss? >> > >Well. There was this drop dead gorgeous blonde female on the door. > >Not much else besides. >> >Was that the same one that's been there the last couple of times that Last couple of times? That was show two. Or are your thinking of Christina at the Gloucester show? Can't blame you if you are >I've been ( A while ago now admittedly ..) that Colin Anderton was >trying to chat up YOops I said I'd never mention that again...Sorry >Colin? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 16:10:00 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <14992.199702241605@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:05:03 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "unknown" at Feb 24, 97 02:20:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 218 Lines: 8 > > You're looking in the wrong places, Ian. PhreeX, unknown3, > > and unknown for starters, and that's just from memory. > if this^^^^^^ is meant to be me then I am not anonymous if anyone Nope, it's not you. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 16:10:00 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <15162.199702241607@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:06:36 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9702241242.AA19140@client28.comlab.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian Collier" at Feb 24, 97 12:42:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 201 Lines: 8 > > You're looking in the wrong places, Ian. PhreeX, unknown3, > > and unknown for starters, and that's just from memory. > Who are they then? My mistake - didn't you ask for anonymous people? Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 16:15:24 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:09:27 GMT+0 Subject: Hit or miss? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <951A0041C6@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 314 Lines: 9 So was the show a hit or a miss then? Anyone fancy doing a quick report on it and on anything that might have been on show for the first time there. Or was there nothing new to talk about? Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From imc Mon Feb 24 16:17:27 1997 Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:17:27 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <15162.199702241607@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> from "Mr P R Walker" at Feb 24, 97 04:06:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 841 Lines: 21 On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:06:36 +0000 (GMT), Mr P R Walker said: > > > You're looking in the wrong places, Ian. PhreeX, unknown3, > > > and unknown for starters, and that's just from memory. > > Who are they then? > My mistake - didn't you ask for anonymous people? Look, I would like to know what they are known for, where they post, etc. I could make up anonymous names like that if I wanted to, but I'd like some sort of semblance of proof that these people are well known for being anonymous. I personally hardly ever see a person who consistently posts anonymously in ordinary newsgroups. One example is "Big Ears.", but that's all I can think of just now. If, as Bob claimed, there are many, many people who use the net anonymously then I might expect to see more than one of them in my small collection of newsgroups, surely? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 24 16:27:13 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:25:53 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Oh yeh - one other thing In-reply-to: <199702201904.TAA19801@mail.enterprise.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 940 Lines: 22 > In a message of 20 Feb 97 Dave Hooper wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: > > Hi Dave, > > DH> How - just **HOW** - does one get a job GAMETESTING?! Seems like a bit > DH> of alright to me. > > A friend of mine took a job as a playtester for Sony/Psygnosis in Liverpool. He thought it was going to be a lot of fun playing games, getting 8 quid an hour (basic), and a PC delivered to his home f> > Bye, 2 Months gamestesting sounds great on the surface. But how would you really like to play THE SAME GAME 8 HOURS A DAY FOR 2 MONTHS??! Add to this, it's an UNTESTED VERSION (That's your job) and so FULL OF BUGS. And you've got to document EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE BUGS. Now you're seeing that after the first hour, it's hell. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "If you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now Quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons.