From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 4 04:20:51 1995 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 05:13:17 +0100 (MET) From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: BOUNCE sam-users@nvg.unit.no: Admin request (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1553 Lines: 43 approve SAMPW Received: from eros.britain.eu.net (eros.Britain.EU.net [192.91.199.2]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA11343 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 1995 14:17:49 +0100 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by eros.britain.eu.net via JIPS with SMTP (PP) id ; Tue, 3 Jan 1995 13:17:33 +0000 From: Tim Paveley Message-Id: <24271.9501031316@whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Received: from gauguin.ecs by whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Jan 95 13:16:45 GMT Subject: HP520 Printer - Help Wanted To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (sam users mailing list) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 13:17:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 730 Hello all! Don't suppose someone could help my broother (through me coz he hasn't got net access) He's bought himself a HP520 Printer (inkjet) but is haveing problems getting all the features to work, fonts, spacing, screen dumps and stuff. He owns Secretary, Campion, and SamPaint and would like to know i) any ideas for control codes ii) anyone got a dump routine for screen dumps. iii) If he bought SC_Word, would it be able to make full use of his printer? Sorry I don't have any more details than that, but it was mentioned over the phone fairly quicky. Any ideas could you please mail me and I'll forward the results on to him. Cheers! Tim -- Sam Web Pages: http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93/Coupe/home.html From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 4 04:22:39 1995 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 05:20:14 +0100 Message-Id: <29559.13715.789193214@flode.nvg.unit.no> From: Arnt Gulbrandsen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: sorry folks Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 88 Lines: 4 I did the wrong thing two seconds ago, and the last message was messed up. --Arnt From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 5 12:48:37 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501051244.AA28157@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: colins christmas greeting! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 13:44:47 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <5611@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Dec 16, 94 05:37:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 565 Lines: 18 > > After a certain number of copies, TELEDISK seems unable to find > any files to copy! I guess this is to induce registration! Just make sure that the teledisk-executables are in the same directory as the .td0 files. > Brian > > Happy Christmas. Hapy New Year! -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Jan 9 11:51:04 1995 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: GIF Stuff Date: Mon, 09 Jan 95 11:40:00 PST Message-Id: <2F11910A@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 22 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 912 Lines: 22 Happy new year pods! The following article was gleened of the PowerPC news and I thought you lot might like a read. It envolves Unisys trying to get a patent for GIF files. Scary. "(January 6th 1995) The future of the world's most popular graphics image format, GIF (Graphics Interchange Format), was put into doubt this week following a patent claim from Unisys. The file format uses the Lempel-Ziv & Welch (LZW) compression technique to keep file sizes down, and falls foul of Unisys Corp's US patent 4,558,302. That Unisys intended to collect from developers supporting the GIF standard emerged on December 28th when Compuserve announced it had taken a licence and was offering a sub-licence to developers building Compuserve add-ons." I wonder if the Sam GIF converter developers will pay up ;) Also if you type 'Pentium' into my spell checker you get 'Penis'. Hmmm. Dan Doore. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Jan 15 10:51:56 1995 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 10:41:49 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <5853@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: GIF Stuff X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 222 Lines: 8 The GIF thing revolves around the use of LZW compression for which Unisys hold patents in the USA. Monumental cock up, but I doubt if its worth collecting it from SAM programmers! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Jan 16 08:48:08 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 16 Jan 95 03:57:28 +0000 Subject: Where's everyone gone? Message-Id: <2c6_9501160839@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 826 Lines: 24 What's happening there's been no sam-users mail since christmas! Has somthing broken down or has no-one got anything to say about the sam? Has there been any further developments with EDOS IDE-HD support? Has any of the peeps that got a beta-release of the Small-C port done any test compilations with it? If they have how did it work out? If EDOS IDE-HD hardware interface does not come to fruition there should be a generic-z80 IDE-HD interface daughter-board available sometime this year which WILL fit the Sam (I've been making sure of that;-) There must be somthing that people want to talk about! Regards Johnathan. ... He who hesitates is last. -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Jan 16 09:20:37 1995 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 09:06:27 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <5869@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 68 Lines: 6 Its been coming in here OK. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Jan 16 11:04:23 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:47:50 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <2c6_9501160839@centron.com> from "Johnathan Taylor" at Jan 16, 95 03:57:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1168 Lines: 32 > What's happening there's been no sam-users mail since christmas! > Has somthing broken down or has no-one got anything to say about the sam? > > Has there been any further developments with EDOS IDE-HD support? > Has any of the peeps that got a beta-release of the Small-C port done any > test compilations with it? If they have how did it work out? > > If EDOS IDE-HD hardware interface does not come to fruition there should be > a generic-z80 IDE-HD interface daughter-board available sometime this year > which WILL fit the Sam (I've been making sure of that;-) > > There must be somthing that people want to talk about! Yeah! EDOS had been scrapped for the moment -- until Martin finishes building up the board (we've had one busy Christmas!!!) Termite however is coming along nicely... I've been using it loads on the net, and it works fine and dandy... It's going to have a compiled scripting language built in which will be powerful enough to write your own BBS doors, even file transfer protocols in!!! :) Simon ps the scripting may only be for version 2, as will fax and possibly slip/PPP support :) :) :) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Jan 16 13:29:43 1995 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: Where's everyone gone? Date: Mon, 16 Jan 95 11:45:00 PST Message-Id: <2F1AE2B2@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 9 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 281 Lines: 9 > What's happening there's been no sam-users mail since christmas! > Has somthing broken down or has no-one got anything to say about the sam? Beats me, It's like the dead zone around here (I think the Uni's are back today so that should get things moving) Dan Doore From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Jan 16 13:40:33 1995 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 13:45:17 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<15369.9501161245@pasta.st-andre] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Quazar Surrou... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <15369.9501161245@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Quazar Surround Update Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 567 Lines: 23 Hi Folks, Right, whats been happening to the Quazar Surround over the holidays i hear you ask.... Well, it now has another mode added, controlled by a software switch, Mode 1 : Six 8 bit channels, as before And now... Mode 2 : Two 8 bit channels, AND TWO 16 BIT CHANNELS! This extra mode doesnt affect the price (this will be revealed later...) Groovy or what!? And of course, it is surround sound with 4 speakers. More details and that will be posted at the end of January, after my exams. Any comments? Bye for now, Colin Piggot. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Jan 16 14:58:22 1995 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 20:50:42 +0100 X400-Originator: U9350276@queens-belfast.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<9501161450.AA03478@elm12.causew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: surround??????? From: Creature Feature! Message-Id: <9501161450.AA03478@elm12.causeway.qub.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: surround??????? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1050 Lines: 33 eh................................ What is this 16bit surround shit? Me never heard about this!!! Please divulge the information now or be zapped by my non-divulger-zapper-type-thing! eh.... Can someone else in the know, give me a lowdown on what has been happening on the Sam hardware/software(not games!!!:) scene in the last 6 months? I only got on the list here a bit before christmas and have heard strangenesses of the HD and 16bit (sound card??) sound! AND.......Can anyone tell me what use my KALEIDASCOPE is please??? It no longer seems to be listed as hardware for the little doo daa! Sad! Cause I thought it was KOOL! Anyway! Good luck to anyone who, like myself, is doing exams! Adios dudes and dudettes(are there any dudettes out there???:) /> ( //---------------------------------------------------\ (*OXOXOXOXO(*>==R=o=n=a=n==T=h=e==B=a=r=b=a=r=i=a=n================> ( \\---------------------------------------------------/ \> From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Jan 16 16:12:35 1995 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 16:03:40 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <5885@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: surround??????? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 97 Lines: 6 Whatever you do, don't tell him about the lawnmower.... BG :-) -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jan 17 12:07:45 1995 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 11:59:13 +0100 Message-Id: <95011711591297@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> From: cm3hdlt@bs41.staffs.ac.uk (It wasn't the cough that carried him off, it was the coffin they carried him off in!) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Sound card thingy X-Vms-To: SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 718 Lines: 31 >Well, it now has another mode added, controlled by a software switch, > >Mode 1 : Six 8 bit channels, as before > >And now... > >Mode 2 : Two 8 bit channels, AND TWO 16 BIT CHANNELS! > Sounds cool (joke intended!) >This extra mode doesnt affect the price (this will be revealed later...) >Groovy or what!? And of course, it is surround sound with 4 speakers. > I hope it's not too much - there's no way I am paying another 80 quid for a sound card (SB16 for my 486). My bank just can't handle it - 1200 pound overdrawn *grins* >More details and that will be posted at the end of January, after my exams. > >Any comments? > >Bye for now, See ya! >Colin Piggot. Lord Blackadder From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jan 17 12:13:18 1995 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 12:05:42 +0100 Message-Id: <95011712054285@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> From: cm3hdlt@bs41.staffs.ac.uk (I've got an idea, and it's as hot as my pants!) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Vms-To: SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 627 Lines: 16 >Can someone else in the know, give me a lowdown on what has been happening on >the Sam hardware/software(not games!!!:) scene in the last 6 months? I only got >on the list here a bit before christmas and have heard strangenesses of the HD >and 16bit (sound card??) sound! Ask Cookie - he's in the know. He can give more information than I can. >AND.......Can anyone tell me what use my KALEIDASCOPE is please??? Absolutely nothing - I suppose you could use it as a doorstop, or maybe a bookend, how about standing on it to get to those high reach places that you can't normally get to. Lord Blackadder From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jan 17 12:42:54 1995 From: Frode.Tennebo@hiMolde.no Message-Id: <199501171239.AA19950@lyr.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: your mail To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 13:39:43 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <95011712054285@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> from "I've got an idea, and it's as hot as my pants!" at Jan 17, 95 12:05:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 424 Lines: 11 It's nice that you have an idea, but could you please put that in your subject and NOT where your name is supposed to be? Thank you. -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jan 17 12:45:53 1995 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 13:37:26 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<3194.9501171237@pasta.st-andrew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: surround?... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <3194.9501171237@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: surround??????? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 661 Lines: 25 > What is this 16bit surround shit? I wouldn't call it 'shit' if i were you...... >From the top... The QUAZAR SURROUND is a new sound card for the Sam, it has two modes of operation: mode 1 : six 8 bit sound channels mode 2: two 8 bit sound channels and two SIXTEEN BIT sound channels The sound card can generate surround sound if 4 speakers are connected, or stereo if only 2 are connected... All the mode switching etc is done by software. Plus, the Quazar Surround has a sampler port where you can plug in a stereo 8 bit sampler. Hope that answers.... *Should* be out at the end of Feb if all goes well..... Colin Piggot. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jan 17 13:07:09 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: your mail To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 12:57:46 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <95011712054285@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> from "I've got an idea, and it's as hot as my pants!" at Jan 17, 95 12:05:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1444 Lines: 36 > >Can someone else in the know, give me a lowdown on what has been happening on > >the Sam hardware/software(not games!!!:) scene in the last 6 months? I only got > >on the list here a bit before christmas and have heard strangenesses of the HD > >and 16bit (sound card??) sound! > > Ask Cookie - he's in the know. He can give more information than I can. Thanks Luke... Okay... in the last 6 months, Martin Rookyard and I have come up with lots of different widgets -- now all we need is software. We've got an IDE HD interface, a 512k System ROM and lots of other little projects that we're working on... I'm currently working on Terminal software (and this is being written on my SAM at the moment, through to a UNIX box and out onto the net)... Other than that... Bob is working on stuff too. Over to Brian for that methinks... > > >AND.......Can anyone tell me what use my KALEIDASCOPE is please??? > > Absolutely nothing - I suppose you could use it as a doorstop, or maybe a > bookend, how about standing on it to get to those high reach places that you > can't normally get to. > > Lord Blackadder > Yep... The Kaleidoscope, as it were, is best used by reading old issues of the SAM Newsdisk, working out which bits you need to add to the board to make it into a fully working Hardware Kit, and then removing the Kaleidoscope bit, because it's complete and utter tosh. Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jan 17 13:10:59 1995 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 13:41:38 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<3273.9501171241@pasta.st-andrew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Sound car... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <3273.9501171241@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sound card thingy Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 409 Lines: 14 Lord Blackadder warbles.... > Sounds cool (joke intended!) believe me, it does! > I hope it's not too much - there's no way I am paying another 80 quid for a > sound card (SB16 for my 486). My bank just can't handle it - 1200 pound > overdrawn *grins* It will cost way below 80 quid... i'll post the prices nearer the launch, but i assure you it is very reasonable price... Colin Piggot. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jan 17 13:19:54 1995 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 13:11:19 +0100 Message-Id: <95011713111994@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> From: cm3hdlt@bs41.staffs.ac.uk (I've got an idea, and it's as hot as my pants!) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Vms-To: SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 242 Lines: 14 >It will cost way below 80 quid... i'll post the prices nearer the launch, but >i assure you it is very reasonable price... > >Colin Piggot. Great :) I will have 3 *grins* Nah, I think 1 is enough for me. Lord Blackadder From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jan 17 15:11:42 1995 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 15:05:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Taylor X-Sender: sct1000@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: SAM-users Subject: Nmi solution Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1260 Lines: 42 Hi folks! I dunno if anyone's thought of this before, but over Xmas I came up with a nifty way of using the break button safely. With a program sitting over the ROM in section A, I was using the following code to return basic: ORG 62h back OUT (251),A ; Ensure XMEM bit is disabled OUT (250),A ; Page ROM into section A. nmi LD A,31 JR back Now, this works fine, but the stream of nmis that gets sent by the button usually fills up the nmi handler stack, which is nicely placed above the page allocation table, thus corrupting it and making lots of nasty things happen later on. So, I decided to alter the code to pause for a bit before returning to basic, and junking any return addresses generated by subsequent nmis, avoiding any stack overflow: ORG 62h back OUT (251),A OUT (250),A nmi POP HL ; junk return address LD BC,1000h loop DJNZ loop DEC C JR NZ,loop LD A,31 JR back Hope this helps someone. \\/// (o o) +----------------ooO-(_)-Ooo----------------+ | Steve Taylor sct1000@cam.ac.uk | | Pembroke College | | Cambridge CB2 1RF | +-------------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jan 17 15:17:10 1995 From: Nigel J Kettlewell Message-Id: <24696.199501171514@woodwind> Subject: Re: Nmi solution To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 15:14:55 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Steve Taylor" at Jan 17, 95 15:05:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 757 Lines: 21 > I dunno if anyone's thought of this before, but over Xmas I came up with a > nifty way of using the break button safely. With a program sitting over > the ROM in section A, I was using the following code to return basic: > > ORG 62h > back OUT (251),A ; Ensure XMEM bit is disabled > OUT (250),A ; Page ROM into section A. > nmi LD A,31 > JR back There's no problem with NMIs when the ROM is paged out - but the problem is to trap them properly and safely when it's paged in. So in your own progs, it's easy to get the NMI to do whatever you want it to but you need a h/w hack to get NMI working properly in BASIC. The Messenger had a new NMI button on it, which worked well, but that's hardly a reason to buy one! Nige From imc Tue Jan 17 15:27:36 1995 Subject: Re: Nmi solution To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 15:27:36 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Steve Taylor" at Jan 17, 95 3:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 1275 Lines: 37 On Tue, 17 Jan 1995 15:05:16 +0000 (GMT), Steve Taylor said: > I dunno if anyone's thought of this before, Yes. See my sample player which I posted on this list some time ago... ;-) [snip] > So, I decided to alter the code to pause for a bit before returning to > basic, and junking any return addresses generated by subsequent nmis, > avoiding any stack overflow: > ORG 62h > back OUT (251),A > OUT (250),A > nmi POP HL ; junk return address > LD BC,1000h > loop DJNZ loop > DEC C > JR NZ,loop > LD A,31 > JR back The alternative which the MGT snapshotter uses is to do the delay first and then clean up the stack (it has to do it this way round in order to guarantee a safe return to the program that was interrupted). You have to press the break button very carefully in order to avoid overflowing the stack. ;-) Unfortunately, it doesn't quite know when to stop with the result that if you do something like "PRINT USR 102" from a spectrum emulator and then try to return to it, the thing crashes. I wrote a slightly better version of it once (I think it might be on the Syncytium disk). All of this would have been unnecessary if they had just spent an extra 60p and installed a proper break button... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jan 17 16:33:11 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 17 Jan 95 01:34:41 +0000 Subject: Where's everyone gone? Message-Id: <5d0_9501171320@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2113 Lines: 55 On (16 Jan 95) simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk wrote... >> What's happening there's been no sam-users mail since christmas! >> Has somthing broken down or has no-one got anything to say about the sam? >> There must be somthing that people want to talk about! > Yeah! Great! > EDOS had been scrapped for the moment -- until Martin finishes building > up the board (we've had one busy Christmas!!!) Based on German prices the generic board will probably be quite competative price-wise despite the use of a GAL and a pair of 'LS646 chips! Would simplify things quite a bit if the generic interface were used via a fake z80 40pin dil upgrade socket on the Multi-Rom motherboard, certainly reduce your designing&development overheads:-) > Termite however is coming along nicely... I've been using it loads on the > net, and it works fine and dandy... ANSI glitches sorted now? > It's going to have a compiled scripting language built in which will be > powerful enough to write your own BBS doors, even file transfer protocols > in!!! That would be nice! A usefull facility to have in a script language will be to be able to calculate CRC or CRC-32 of one or more strings ie a reset crc acumulator function with a crc_string function and end_crc function It would allow EMSI logons to BBS's and EMSI Fido mail sessions. That's one thing that's seriously lacking in z80 scripted terminals:-( > ps the scripting may only be for version 2, as will fax and possibly > slip/PPP support :) :) :) Fax has been done on a z80 before ie PCWFax by Andrew Margolis I've disasembled it and have been meaning to port it to ProDos, not got around to it yet as it's about 150k of source code and lots of CP/M+ specific calls:-( slip/PPP now that would be a z80 first! could even tempt me into booting native mode;-) Keep up the good work! Regards Johnathan ... Ferengi, Romulans, Vulcans; lend me your ears ... -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jan 17 16:33:11 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 17 Jan 95 01:34:41 +0000 Subject: Where's everyone gone? Message-Id: <5d0_9501171320@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2113 Lines: 55 On (16 Jan 95) simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk wrote... >> What's happening there's been no sam-users mail since christmas! >> Has somthing broken down or has no-one got anything to say about the sam? >> There must be somthing that people want to talk about! > Yeah! Great! > EDOS had been scrapped for the moment -- until Martin finishes building > up the board (we've had one busy Christmas!!!) Based on German prices the generic board will probably be quite competative price-wise despite the use of a GAL and a pair of 'LS646 chips! Would simplify things quite a bit if the generic interface were used via a fake z80 40pin dil upgrade socket on the Multi-Rom motherboard, certainly reduce your designing&development overheads:-) > Termite however is coming along nicely... I've been using it loads on the > net, and it works fine and dandy... ANSI glitches sorted now? > It's going to have a compiled scripting language built in which will be > powerful enough to write your own BBS doors, even file transfer protocols > in!!! That would be nice! A usefull facility to have in a script language will be to be able to calculate CRC or CRC-32 of one or more strings ie a reset crc acumulator function with a crc_string function and end_crc function It would allow EMSI logons to BBS's and EMSI Fido mail sessions. That's one thing that's seriously lacking in z80 scripted terminals:-( > ps the scripting may only be for version 2, as will fax and possibly > slip/PPP support :) :) :) Fax has been done on a z80 before ie PCWFax by Andrew Margolis I've disasembled it and have been meaning to port it to ProDos, not got around to it yet as it's about 150k of source code and lots of CP/M+ specific calls:-( slip/PPP now that would be a z80 first! could even tempt me into booting native mode;-) Keep up the good work! Regards Johnathan ... Ferengi, Romulans, Vulcans; lend me your ears ... -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From imc Tue Jan 17 17:05:01 1995 Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 17:05:01 GMT In-Reply-To: <2c6_9501160839@centron.com>; from "Johnathan Taylor" at Jan 16, 95 3:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 1079 Lines: 24 On 16 Jan 95 03:57:28 +0000, Johnathan Taylor said: > What's happening there's been no sam-users mail since christmas! > Has somthing broken down or has no-one got anything to say about the sam? Obviously there was nothing to talk about until you sent your message... :-) I would like to ask a question. In the most recent Maplin catalogue they have started going overboard with all the numbers and letters that surround the IC names, so that for example "74LS00" becomes something like "SN74LS00N". In some of the sections, they have started saying: Also available in SMD: PC74HC00M1R or something remotely like that, and they have two versions of the IC, one with the above number and one differing from that in one or more letters. What on earth is SMD? Also, can someone tell me what the difference is between the two octal D-latches they seem to have? I think one is 74HC574 and the other is 74HC374, but I could be wrong. The descriptions of these two things which are on different pages seem to describe exactly the same device. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jan 17 17:22:47 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501171720.AA06337@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 18:20:13 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9501171705.AA04633@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jan 17, 95 06:05:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1053 Lines: 31 > > On 16 Jan 95 03:57:28 +0000, Johnathan Taylor said: > > What on earth is SMD? Surface mounted devices: Just the same as ordinary components, just SMALLER! Aweflly difficult to work with if you don't have the right equipment. AND you need a clean workbench. > > Also, can someone tell me what the difference is between the two octal > D-latches they seem to have? I think one is 74HC574 and the other is > 74HC374, but I could be wrong. The descriptions of these two things > which are on different pages seem to describe exactly the same device. I can't answer you on that as I don't really have handy a catalog of that (but perhaps they trigger at different states; or one is tri-state, the other is not - dunno). > > imc > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From imc Tue Jan 17 17:26:21 1995 Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 17:26:21 GMT In-Reply-To: <199501171720.AA06337@ulke.hiMolde.no>; from "Frode Tennebo" at Jan 17, 95 6:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 378 Lines: 15 On Tue, 17 Jan 1995 18:20:13 +0100 (MET), Frode Tennebo said: > > On 16 Jan 95 03:57:28 +0000, Johnathan Taylor said: > > What on earth is SMD? Actually I said that... > Surface mounted devices: Just the same as ordinary components, > just SMALLER! So where does the name come from? (Where do they think I mount the ordinary devices - in the air?...) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jan 17 17:33:10 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: .. Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 18:28:13 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501171828.aa20391@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1590 Lines: 40 Hi Colin, > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 13:45:17 +0100 > From: Colin G Piggot > Subject: Quazar Surround Update > > Well, it now has another mode added, controlled by a software switch, > > Mode 1 : Six 8 bit channels, as before > > And now... > > Mode 2 : Two 8 bit channels, AND TWO 16 BIT CHANNELS! > > This extra mode doesnt affect the price (this will be revealed later...) > Groovy or what!? And of course, it is surround sound with 4 speakers. > > More details and that will be posted at the end of January, after my exams. > > Any comments? You wanna hear some comments ?! Mine are: great, nearly incredible! :-) Is the software almost ready or are you still writing the player s.w. ? I would like to see some sw that transforms the SAM into a sort of sample player, I mean a sw that plays a sample at a variing pitch depending on midi note on events arriving from the midi in port and of course a mod player/composer and a .wav/.au file player. There should be also some sort of driver that adds some commands to SAMBasic for using sound playback from within Basic programs. Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jan 17 17:34:20 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: .. Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 18:29:01 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501171829.aa20610@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1292 Lines: 35 Hi Johnathan! > From: Johnathan Taylor > Date: 16 Jan 95 03:57:28 +0000 > Subject: Where's everyone gone? > > Has any of the peeps that got a beta-release of the Small-C port done any > test compilations with it? If they have how did it work out? SMALL-C for SAM??!! Great, I hope its for native mode... Where can I get it? > If EDOS IDE-HD hardware interface does not come to fruition there should be > a generic-z80 IDE-HD interface daughter-board available sometime this year > which WILL fit the Sam (I've been making sure of that;-) Are you talking about the one developed in Holland which I mentioned some time before X-mas or is there even another one? I have the circuit board scheme of the one from holland,its quite easy to build but it is absolutely useless without a good DOS! Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jan 17 17:35:15 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: .. Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 18:29:45 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501171829.aa20799@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1653 Lines: 44 Hi Simon! > From: Simon Cooke > Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:47:50 +0000 (GMT) > > EDOS had been scrapped for the moment -- until Martin finishes building > up the board (we've had one busy Christmas!!!) :-((( I hate using floppies! (i'm just jokeing...) > Termite however is coming along nicely... I've been using it loads on the > net, and it works fine and dandy... At which bps rates? How many cps do you get on downloads of compressed files? Does it already have full ANSI colour support and is zmodem working? BTW did you write that zip/unzip package for which I had sent you the tech-info file? (Please don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting anything of the above, I'm only curious...) > It's going to have a compiled scripting language built in which will be > powerful enough to write your own BBS doors, even file transfer protocols > in!!! Wow!! > ps the scripting may only be for version 2, as will fax and possibly > slip/PPP support :) :) :) fax and slip/PPP, ... you are jokeing aren't you??? Anyway slip/PPP without Mosaic for SAM would be useless so you would have to write that, too! ;-) +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jan 17 17:35:46 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501171732.AA06647@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 18:32:47 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9501171726.AA04779@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jan 17, 95 06:26:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 649 Lines: 20 > > Surface mounted devices: Just the same as ordinary components, > > just SMALLER! > > So where does the name come from? (Where do they think I mount the > ordinary devices - in the air?...) Yeah, well the difference here is that you don't actually solder SMD's onto the board, but you 'glue' them on (take a look at hard discs). > > imc > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From imc Tue Jan 17 17:37:15 1995 Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 17:37:15 GMT In-Reply-To: <199501171732.AA06647@ulke.hiMolde.no>; from "Frode Tennebo" at Jan 17, 95 6:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 333 Lines: 9 On Tue, 17 Jan 1995 18:32:47 +0100 (MET), Frode Tennebo said: > Yeah, well the difference here is that you don't actually > solder SMD's onto the board, but you 'glue' them on (take > a look at hard discs). That's a bit hard (ugh) since I don't have any apart from the ones that are hidden away inside these Suns... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jan 17 19:48:58 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: .. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 19:45:05 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9501171829.aa20799@ax433.mclink.it> from "Arne Di Russo" at Jan 17, 95 06:29:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2566 Lines: 69 > > Termite however is coming along nicely... I've been using it loads on > the > > net, and it works fine and dandy... > > At which bps rates? How many cps do you get on downloads of compressed > files? > Does it already have full ANSI colour support and is zmodem working? > BTW did you write that zip/unzip package for which I had sent you the > tech-info file? > (Please don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting anything of the above, I'm > only curious...) Right, it's running at 38400 baud at the moment, using a 14400 baud modem, and it doesn't lose characters in both Hardware -and- software flow control modes. In No Flow Control mode (testing only?), at 2400 baud it keeps up fine, until the screen scrolls, where it loses 1 out of every 30 characters sent... Full ANSI support is already in, as is support for up to 4 comms interfaces, (the ANSI is in 4 colours, but looks good due to some clever logic I've put in... the colour scheme is user definable just in case anyway). No Xfer protocols installed yet, but I'm getting there :) Should have X and Y modem (all versions, Ymodem G, Ymodem, Xmodem 1K, xmodem CRC, Xmodem Batch etc etc etc) by the end of the week, Zmodem may take longer, Hydra in about a month... And nope, I've not done any compressions formats yet -- my mail seems to have eaten the document as well -- can you send it to me again? > > It's going to have a compiled scripting language built in which will be > > powerful enough to write your own BBS doors, even file transfer > protocols > > in!!! > > Wow!! *grins* > > ps the scripting may only be for version 2, as will fax and possibly > > slip/PPP support :) :) :) > > fax and slip/PPP, ... you are jokeing aren't you??? > Anyway slip/PPP without Mosaic for SAM would be useless so you would > have to write that, too! ;-) Nope, I'm not joking -- Fax may take a while (I really need a hard fax to test it with, either that or two fax modems... still, I've got *SOME* documents on it). SLIP and PPP -- yep, there will be Mosaic. Or should I say Netscape. I think we can ditch the possibility of decoding JPEG for a good while though... Simon ps Progress report: Screen modes are as follows: 6x6 char mode (very readable actually) -- 30 lines deep, 1 status bar, 1 menu bar 6x7 char mode -- 25 lines deep, 1 status bar, 1 menu bar 6x8 char mode -- 24 lines deep, toggleable status bar......... <<<>>> From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jan 17 20:10:00 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 20:03:04 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <199501171720.AA06337@ulke.hiMolde.no> from "Frode Tennebo" at Jan 17, 95 06:20:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 526 Lines: 12 > > 74HC374, but I could be wrong. The descriptions of these two things > > which are on different pages seem to describe exactly the same device. > > I can't answer you on that as I don't really have handy a catalog > of that (but perhaps they trigger at different states; or one is tri-state, > the other is not - dunno). It's either their buffering characteristics, their current sourcing characteristics or their Schmitt, but I can't remember at the moment... I'll see what I can do on that score... Si From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 01:00:20 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 00:18:27 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <5d0_9501171320@centron.com> from "Johnathan Taylor" at Jan 17, 95 01:34:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2083 Lines: 50 > Based on German prices the generic board will probably be quite competative > price-wise despite the use of a GAL and a pair of 'LS646 chips! > Would simplify things quite a bit if the generic interface were used via a > fake z80 40pin dil upgrade socket on the Multi-Rom motherboard, certainly > reduce your designing&development overheads:-) *smiles* take me to your leader... :) > > Termite however is coming along nicely... I've been using it loads on the > > net, and it works fine and dandy... > > ANSI glitches sorted now? Yep... although I've got to rewrite it all using a 4 table finite state machine :( And I've got to keep a copy of the text and attributes off screen as well... but I may put a "fast" copy of the software on the disk as well, which is optimised to the max for ANSI... > > It's going to have a compiled scripting language built in which will be > > powerful enough to write your own BBS doors, even file transfer protocols > > in!!! > > That would be nice! A usefull facility to have in a script language will be > to be able to calculate CRC or CRC-32 of one or more strings ie > a reset crc acumulator function with a crc_string function and end_crc function > It would allow EMSI logons to BBS's and EMSI Fido mail sessions. > That's one thing that's seriously lacking in z80 scripted terminals:-( Waaaaaaayyyyy ahead of you -- I've got the IEMSI specs from Fidonet, and I'm plugging them in as we speak... > > ps the scripting may only be for version 2, as will fax and possibly > > slip/PPP support :) :) :) > > Fax has been done on a z80 before ie PCWFax by Andrew Margolis > I've disasembled it and have been meaning to port it to ProDos, not got around > to it yet as it's about 150k of source code and lots of CP/M+ specific calls:-( > slip/PPP now that would be a z80 first! could even tempt me into booting native > mode;-) *grins* There's nothing wrong with Native mode y'know -- it does the job! > Keep up the good work! Will do! Roger, Wilco and out! Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 07:43:44 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Mosaic/Netscape For Sam Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 8:39:55 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501180839.aa21663@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1440 Lines: 35 Hi Brian! > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 06:42:13 GMT > From: "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." > > Come on, you do not need Mosaic. I use textual software on the > net. If I want phone cost wasting WWW I can get Lynx whic is > textual. Well, I don't agree with you. I'm using Netscape for Windows on my PC 386DX-40 via Slip/PPP and a v32bis modem quite often and it is not THAT slow. In fact I get quite fast response times in off peak hours (2-5 am ;-))). I tried also Lynx but without the grafics WWW isn't that attractive... > If Sam did PPP it would be one in the eye for certain folk, but Why should PPP for SAM be a problem for someone? Unfortunately SAM is so little known that nobody would bother... :-( > I strongly suspect speed would be very S L O W ! I don't know the tecnical details of the Slip/PPP protocols so I can't comment on that, but once Slip/PPP works, writing a Netscape clone would be a minor problem me thinks... Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 08:26:19 1995 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 06:42:13 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <5926@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: .. X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 292 Lines: 11 Come on, you do not need Mosaic. I use textual software on the net. If I want phone cost wasting WWW I can get Lynx whic is textual. If Sam did PPP it would be one in the eye for certain folk, but I strongly suspect speed would be very S L O W ! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 08:28:23 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Termite Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 8:14:03 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501180814.aa16943@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2979 Lines: 72 Hi Simon! > From: Simon Cooke > Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 19:45:05 +0000 (GMT) > > Right, it's running at 38400 baud at the moment, using a 14400 baud > modem, and it doesn't lose characters in both Hardware -and- software Very well, so my Trust AP1414 pocket modem is just the right piece of hardware for it! :-) > Full ANSI support is already in, as is support for up to 4 comms > interfaces, (the ANSI is in 4 colours, but looks good due to some clever > logic I've put in... the colour scheme is user definable just in case > anyway). More than four colours would be impossible anyway so you couldn't do better, ... of course you mean support for one out of the four possible rs232 port adresses not all four at the same time, don't you?? (I mean up to four IFs connected but always only one active) > No Xfer protocols installed yet, but I'm getting there :) Should have X > and Y modem (all versions, Ymodem G, Ymodem, Xmodem 1K, xmodem CRC, > Xmodem Batch etc etc etc) by the end of the week, Zmodem may take longer, > Hydra in about a month... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wow are you working 24 hours a day on it or what?! ;-) > And nope, I've not done any compressions formats yet -- my mail seems to > have eaten the document as well -- can you send it to me again? I will try to find it again, I still have it somewhere but my floppy archive is VERY much in disorder (and there are more than 1000 floppies + several 270MB Syquest disks where it could be.......) I hope I will be able to post it again in a day or so... > Nope, I'm not joking -- Fax may take a while (I really need a hard fax to > test it with, either that or two fax modems... still, I've got *SOME* > documents on it). I -think- I also had somewhere doc files about the fax protocols but I'm not absolutely shure, I will try to find that too if you need it. > SLIP and PPP -- yep, there will be Mosaic. Or should I say Netscape. I > think we can ditch the possibility of decoding JPEG for a good while > though... Well if you intend to write a Netscape clone than we'll have also ftp as I think that the http protocol is simply an extension of the ftp protocol... (sort of automated anonymous ftp login/download/logout) But are you really thinking of a grafical software or will it be more like Lynx for DOS? > <<< connection>>>> When will I be able to answer the same way??!! :-) Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 09:58:32 1995 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 09:55:49 +0000 From: "ANDREW.D.BIRKETT" <9458183@lewis.sms.edinburgh.ac.uk> Organization: Student Mail Service To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 09:51:46 +0000 Subject: YS Sam screen routines Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <42056F228A2@lewis.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 266 Lines: 9 Hi there, Am I right in thinking that in one of the last few issues of YS, there were some software routines to 'increase' the resolution of a static Sam screen ? If so, are the routines PD ? - ie. can someone mail me them if they have them... Andrew From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 10:05:09 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501181001.AA21241@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: .. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 11:01:14 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 17, 95 07:45:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 883 Lines: 26 > SLIP and PPP -- yep, there will be Mosaic. Or should I say Netscape. I > think we can ditch the possibility of decoding JPEG for a good while > though... Hmp....I'm currently working at CERN with the guys who created WWW. And I can tell you a secret: Netscape will probably go commercial. You should also have a look at Arena, the new html3- browser. > > Simon > > <<< connection>>>> Nice, but are you able to use a standard v32 modem connected to the serial port of the serial/paralell interface? -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 10:18:12 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: .. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 10:14:47 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <199501181001.AA21241@ulke.hiMolde.no> from "Frode Tennebo" at Jan 18, 95 11:01:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 819 Lines: 30 > > SLIP and PPP -- yep, there will be Mosaic. Or should I say Netscape. I > > think we can ditch the possibility of decoding JPEG for a good while > > though... > > Hmp....I'm currently working at CERN with the guys who > created WWW. And I can tell you a secret: Netscape will probably go > commercial. You should also have a look at Arena, the new html3- > browser. Cooooollll :) Frode -- can you get me more details on Arena? I might be able to sell an article to Future on it... > > > > Simon > > > > > <<< > connection>>>> > > Nice, but are you able to use a standard v32 modem connected > to the serial port of the serial/paralell interface? Yep, that's how it's working at the moment... :) Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 10:18:21 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: YS Sam screen routines To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 10:15:42 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <42056F228A2@lewis.sms.ed.ac.uk> from "ANDREW.D.BIRKETT" at Jan 18, 95 09:51:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 476 Lines: 18 > > Hi there, > > Am I right in thinking that in one of the last few issues of YS, there were > some software routines to 'increase' the resolution of a static Sam screen ? > > If so, are the routines PD ? - ie. can someone mail me them if they > have them... > > Andrew > Nope -- but in Sinclair User in 1990, there were some routines on the tape by Simon Goodwin, which used fake interlacing to double the resolution / colour resolution... Si From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 10:24:17 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: .. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 10:18:07 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <5926@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Jan 18, 95 06:42:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 692 Lines: 22 > > Come on, you do not need Mosaic. I use textual software on the > net. If I want phone cost wasting WWW I can get Lynx whic is > textual. > > If Sam did PPP it would be one in the eye for certain folk, but > I strongly suspect speed would be very S L O W ! > > Brian Oh, I don't know... GIF decoding may be slower, but you'd be able to switch it off... Anyway, this is all moot for the moment. For an example of how fast the SAM would be at SLIP/PPP, run your modem at 9600 baud and use it... that's approx what you'd get (or maybe 7200 baud) Simon ps Besides, this internet package would be an extension to Termite, not part of the package initially :) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 10:26:07 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Termite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 10:23:00 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9501180814.aa16943@ax433.mclink.it> from "Arne Di Russo" at Jan 18, 95 08:14:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3562 Lines: 83 > > Right, it's running at 38400 baud at the moment, using a 14400 baud > > modem, and it doesn't lose characters in both Hardware -and- software > > Very well, so my Trust AP1414 pocket modem is just the right piece of > hardware for it! :-) Yep :) I think 28,800 baud modems may be overkill for the SAM though, although it will keep up, you might not get much overall increase in efficiency... Although I haven't tested it, of course :) > > Full ANSI support is already in, as is support for up to 4 comms > > interfaces, (the ANSI is in 4 colours, but looks good due to some clever > > logic I've put in... the colour scheme is user definable just in case > > anyway). > > More than four colours would be impossible anyway so you couldn't do > better, > ... of course you mean support for one out of the four possible rs232 port > adresses not all four at the same time, don't you?? (I mean up to four > IFs connected but always only one active) Yep, 4 connected, only one active. The BBS software I'm planning though *may* support more than one modem at a time... either that, or it'll have SAMs communicating via MIDI, all running the same software... whichever is best... > > No Xfer protocols installed yet, but I'm getting there :) Should have X > > and Y modem (all versions, Ymodem G, Ymodem, Xmodem 1K, xmodem CRC, > > Xmodem Batch etc etc etc) by the end of the week, Zmodem may take > longer, > > Hydra in about a month... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Wow are you working 24 hours a day on it or what?! ;-) Nope -- I just can program fast once my research is done :) > > And nope, I've not done any compressions formats yet -- my mail seems to > > have eaten the document as well -- can you send it to me again? > > I will try to find it again, I still have it somewhere but my floppy > archive > is VERY much in disorder (and there are more than 1000 floppies + several > 270MB Syquest disks where it could be.......) > I hope I will be able to post it again in a day or so... > *grins* Cheers! > > Nope, I'm not joking -- Fax may take a while (I really need a hard fax > to > > test it with, either that or two fax modems... still, I've got *SOME* > > documents on it). > > I -think- I also had somewhere doc files about the fax protocols but > I'm not absolutely shure, I will try to find that too if you need it. Cheers.. I think I downloaded some Supra Modem and CCITT docs from US Robotics on the subject, but I really need someone with a fax next door so that I can test the software on both receiving and sending... > > SLIP and PPP -- yep, there will be Mosaic. Or should I say Netscape. I > > think we can ditch the possibility of decoding JPEG for a good while > > though... > > Well if you intend to write a Netscape clone than we'll have also ftp > as I think that the http protocol is simply an extension of the ftp > protocol... (sort of automated anonymous ftp login/download/logout) > But are you really thinking of a grafical software or will it be more like > Lynx for DOS? Wellllll.... I was thinking of LYNX at first, and then graphical software very soon after. :) (I've got some of the GIF decoding and dithering to 4 colours written, but I need a hard-drive for the grapical version methinks..) > > <<< > connection>>>> > > When will I be able to answer the same way??!! :-) April, I think. In time for the next Gloucester show at least... Si From imc Wed Jan 18 10:56:04 1995 Subject: Re: .. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 10:56:04 GMT In-Reply-To: <199501181001.AA21241@ulke.hiMolde.no>; from "Frode Tennebo" at Jan 18, 95 11:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 301 Lines: 9 On Wed, 18 Jan 1995 11:01:14 +0100 (MET), Frode Tennebo said: > Hmp....I'm currently working at CERN with the guys who > created WWW. And I can tell you a secret: Netscape will probably go > commercial. Um... it already _is_ commercial. It is free to educational institutions though. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 12:34:39 1995 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:26:40 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<18474.9501181226@pasta.st-andre] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: .. From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <18474.9501181226@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: .. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1210 Lines: 41 Hi Arne, > Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 18:28:13 CET > From: Arne Di Russo > You wanna hear some comments ?! Mine are: great, nearly incredible! :-) *bow* > Is the software almost ready or are you still writing the player s.w. ? I have done most playing software, with the screen on; 7.8KHz, 15.6KHz, stereo, mono, 8 bit, 16 bit... all just about done! > I would like to see some sw that transforms the SAM into a sort of > sample player, > I mean a sw that plays a sample at a variing pitch depending on > midi note on events arriving from the midi in port Hmmm.... could be fun! > and of course a mod > player/composer and a .wav/.au file player. A mod composer is on the drawing board, as for .wav/.au player there will be convertors for practically all formats of samples. > There should be also some sort of driver that adds some commands to > SAMBasic for using sound playback from within Basic programs. Yup, going to be done, with a jump table so the same piece of code can be used from M/C. The only thing stopping me doing this is the annoying fact that i have exams next week, but after which - full steam ahead! Bye, Colin. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 13:47:55 1995 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: YS Sam screen routines Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 13:43:00 PST Message-Id: <2F1D8A1D@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 33 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 860 Lines: 33 > > > > Hi there, > > > > Am I right in thinking that in one of the last few issues of YS, there were > > some software routines to 'increase' the resolution of a static Sam screen ? > > > > If so, are the routines PD ? - ie. can someone mail me them if they > > have them... > > > > Andrew > > > > Nope -- but in Sinclair User in 1990, there were some routines on the > tape by Simon Goodwin, which used fake interlacing to double the > resolution / colour resolution... I've got an interlace routine written by Mike AJ (He who owes me many discs) and your welcome to that (as it was on one of his PD discs). I've had resolutions of 512*384*4 going and it doesn't look that bad. Incidentally, there have been a few interlace demos on Fred recently, they might be worth a look. Dan Doore d.j.doore@lmu.ac.uk > Si > > From imc Wed Jan 18 13:57:46 1995 Subject: Re: YS Sam screen routines To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 13:57:46 GMT In-Reply-To: <2F1D8A1D@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Jan 18, 95 1:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 281 Lines: 7 On Wed, 18 Jan 95 13:43:00 PST, Doore, Daniel [MIS] said: > I've had resolutions of 512*384*4 going and it doesn't look that bad. This must be an optical illusion because, as we have discussed before, I don't think the TV picture coming from the Sam is interlaced... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 14:09:30 1995 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 14:03:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Taylor X-Sender: sct1000@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Cc: sam-users Subject: Re: YS Sam screen routines In-Reply-To: <2F1D8A1D@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1248 Lines: 38 On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Doore, Daniel [MIS] wrote: > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > Am I right in thinking that in one of the last few issues of YS, there > were > > > some software routines to 'increase' the resolution of a static Sam > screen ? > > > > > > If so, are the routines PD ? - ie. can someone mail me them if they > > > have them... > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > Nope -- but in Sinclair User in 1990, there were some routines on the > > tape by Simon Goodwin, which used fake interlacing to double the > > resolution / colour resolution... > > I've got an interlace routine written by Mike AJ (He who owes me many discs) > and your welcome to that (as it was on one of his PD discs). > > I've had resolutions of 512*384*4 going and it doesn't look that bad. > > Incidentally, there have been a few interlace demos on Fred recently, they > might be worth a look. > > Dan Doore > d.j.doore@lmu.ac.uk The problem is that there's no way of telling which of the two halves of an interlaced screen is being displayed. Having said that, I had a 512*384*4 video driver alpha for Driver v2 which just flickered between two such screens and it looked fine. Not quite sure why... :-) Steve. From imc Wed Jan 18 14:12:46 1995 Subject: Re: YS Sam screen routines To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 14:12:46 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Steve Taylor" at Jan 18, 95 2:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 332 Lines: 10 On Wed, 18 Jan 1995 14:03:55 +0000 (GMT), Steve Taylor said: > Having said that, I had a > 512*384*4 video driver alpha for Driver v2 which just flickered between ^^^^^^^^^ > two such screens and it looked fine. It does exist then...... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 14:20:17 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: YS Sam screen routines To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 14:17:11 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Steve Taylor" at Jan 18, 95 02:03:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 771 Lines: 19 > The problem is that there's no way of telling which of the two halves of > an interlaced screen is being displayed. Having said that, I had a > 512*384*4 video driver alpha for Driver v2 which just flickered between > two such screens and it looked fine. Not quite sure why... :-) > > Steve. > What even more adds to the problem is that the SAM doesn't have odd and even fields -- the lines on consecutive display fields are in the same place, so you only get the appearance of interlace - and also, this is what causes the flicker... Now, it should be possible to get around that by putting something between the ASIC's CSYNC signal out and the MC1377P's CSYNC in to elongate the VSYNC by half a line, if anyone wants to try... :) Si From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 14:21:14 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501181418.AA00736@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: ftp To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 15:18:11 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 561 Lines: 16 Salut! Now, there are a whole lot (?) of stuff at ftp.nvg.unit.no /pub/sam-coupe/incoming. As I currently have not access to my SAM (*buhu*), so I can't check what things are and place them accordingly. I have therefore moved everything to misc/sam. Bon apetit! -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 15:11:31 1995 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: YS Sam screen routines Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 14:11:00 PST Message-Id: <2F1D90C4@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 12 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 323 Lines: 12 > On Wed, 18 Jan 95 13:43:00 PST, Doore, Daniel [MIS] said: > > I've had resolutions of 512*384*4 going and it doesn't look that bad. > > This must be an optical illusion because, as we have discussed before, Most probably is, but it does it, and even if it gives a 'percieved' higher resolution :) Dan. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 15:49:12 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501181545.AA03546@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 16:45:45 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9501171737.AA04885@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jan 17, 95 06:37:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 578 Lines: 18 > > That's a bit hard (ugh) since I don't have any apart from the ones that are > hidden away inside these Suns... Yeah, well....open 'em. Have you never seen a hardisk? ;) You'll probably find SMDs in most modern appliances nowadays. Check inside your calculator. > > imc > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 16:08:07 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501181604.AA04010@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: .. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 17:04:43 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 18, 95 10:14:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 922 Lines: 32 > > > > Hmp....I'm currently working at CERN with the guys who > > created WWW. And I can tell you a secret: Netscape will probably go > > commercial. You should also have a look at Arena, the new html3- > > browser. Re Ian's posting: It is true that Netscape at the moment is commercial, but not for NPOs. However, rumours say that they will go all commercial. > > Cooooollll :) Yeah!!!! :) > > Frode -- can you get me more details on Arena? I might be able to sell an > article to Future on it... You mean except from what's on: http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/Arena/ What do you want to know? -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 17:07:20 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501181703.AA05456@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Termite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 18:03:01 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 18, 95 10:23:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 543 Lines: 21 [deletio] > > April, I think. In time for the next Gloucester show at least... When is that show? Perhaps I'll dangle my way through France, through the tunnel and join up? Is it far from Dover (or wherever) to Gloucester? > > Si > > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 17:25:39 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Termite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 17:22:41 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <199501181703.AA05456@ulke.hiMolde.no> from "Frode Tennebo" at Jan 18, 95 06:03:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 387 Lines: 11 > > April, I think. In time for the next Gloucester show at least... > > When is that show? Perhaps I'll dangle my way through France, > through the tunnel and join up? Is it far from Dover (or wherever) > to Gloucester? No firm details as of yet -- but gloucester it is. I've just bought a new hat for the occasion... this time it's a Stetson (or equivalent). :) Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 17:57:30 1995 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: Termite Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 17:54:00 PST Message-Id: <2F1DC4C4@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 358 Lines: 16 > > April, I think. In time for the next Gloucester show at least... > > When is that show? Perhaps I'll dangle my way through France, > through the tunnel and join up? Is it far from Dover (or wherever) > to Gloucester? > In a word, Yes. Not very helpful, but I imagine it's about 150+ miles. Maybe ( I haven't a map to hand...) Dan. From imc Wed Jan 18 18:03:08 1995 Subject: Re: .. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 18:03:08 GMT In-Reply-To: <5926@bgserv.demon.co.uk>; from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Jan 18, 95 6:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 585 Lines: 12 On Wed, 18 Jan 1995 06:42:13 GMT, Brian Gaff Sam Dept. said: > Come on, you do not need Mosaic. I use textual software on the > net. If I want phone cost wasting WWW I can get Lynx whic is > textual. Come on, you don't need Lynx. Mosaic and Netscape both contain text-only options to save time. Netscape can make multiple connections, which also saves time. Lots of people use Mosaic or Netscape on the phone (perhaps they are rich... by the way, I have heard that some people register their POPs with BT as "family & friends" and get a discount on their bill). imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 18:10:43 1995 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 15:24:58 +0000 From: "ANDREW.D.BIRKETT" <9458183@lewis.sms.edinburgh.ac.uk> Organization: Student Mail Service To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 15:20:42 +0000 Subject: Re: YS Sam screen routines Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <425D2D90A90@lewis.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 767 Lines: 17 > > Nope -- but in Sinclair User in 1990, there were some routines on the > > tape by Simon Goodwin, which used fake interlacing to double the > > resolution / colour resolution... > > I've got an interlace routine written by Mike AJ (He who owes me many discs) > and your welcome to that (as it was on one of his PD discs). It was increased colour resolution that I'd like. Mind you, having more pixels on the screen could come in useful. It'd be possible to get 320*200 gifs on one screen, which sounds attractive. > I've had resolutions of 512*384*4 going and it doesn't look that bad. Are there specific PD routines for increasing the apparent number of colours on screen. I don't feel up to working one out for myself. :-/ Andrew From imc Wed Jan 18 18:10:50 1995 Subject: Re: Termite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 18:10:50 GMT In-Reply-To: <9501180814.aa16943@ax433.mclink.it>; from "Arne Di Russo" at Jan 18, 95 8:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 697 Lines: 15 On Wed, 18 Jan 95 8:14:03 CET, Arne Di Russo said: > Well if you intend to write a Netscape clone than we'll have also ftp > as I think that the http protocol is simply an extension of the ftp > protocol... (sort of automated anonymous ftp login/download/logout) They are quite different. HTTP consists of connecting to port 80 on the remote machine, sending "GET /some/file HTTP/1.0" and reading what comes back. FTP is more complicated and for a start requires the user name and password, followed by some strange incantation including a PORT command for each file. However, if you have Netscape then you have also FTP, gopher and news, because they are all built in... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 18:13:07 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Quazar Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 19:07:06 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501181907.aa22882@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1432 Lines: 43 Hi Colin! > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:26:40 +0100 > From: Colin G Piggot > > I have done most playing software, with the screen on; > > 7.8KHz, 15.6KHz, stereo, mono, 8 bit, 16 bit... > > all just about done! Great! :-) (I hope you meant 15.6Khz stereo 16 bit is possible at the same time!) >> There should be also some sort of driver that adds some commands to >> SAMBasic for using sound playback from within Basic programs. > > Yup, going to be done, with a jump table so the same piece of code can be > used from M/C. This will be the main reason for me buying one. One last question: How about background noise, did you manage to keep that low at least with 16bit reproduction? > The only thing stopping me doing this is the annoying fact that i have exams > next week, but after which - full steam ahead! How much better life at university would be without those nasty exams don't you think so, too? ;-))) Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 18:13:32 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Termite Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 19:08:15 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501181908.aa23175@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1479 Lines: 39 Hi Simon! > From: Simon Cooke > Subject: Re: Termite > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 10:23:00 +0000 (GMT) > > Yep, 4 connected, only one active. The BBS software I'm planning though > *may* support more than one modem at a time... either that, or it'll have > SAMs communicating via MIDI, all running the same software... whichever > is best... The SAMs communicating via MIDI idea is great for a multiline BBS as I don't think that one SAM would be able to handle more than one 38400 bps line... but for a BBS a HD is absolutely necessary!! > Wellllll.... I was thinking of LYNX at first, and then graphical software > very soon after. :) (I've got some of the GIF decoding and dithering to 4 > colours written, but I need a hard-drive for the grapical version methinks..) A hard-drive would be fine for almost everything, so we need that DOS + IF desperately... > April, I think. In time for the next Gloucester show at least... I will be there, that's for sure! :-) Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 18:13:36 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Termite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 18:09:22 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <2F1DC4C4@courier.lmu.ac.uk> from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Jan 18, 95 05:54:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 293 Lines: 21 > In a word, Yes. > > Not very helpful, but I imagine it's about 150+ miles. > > Maybe ( I haven't a map to hand...) > > Dan. > *grins* btw: anyone want to look at my homepage? More SAM stuff coming up there soon... :) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc :) SImon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 18:18:01 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501181815.AA06927@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Termite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 19:15:01 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <2F1DC4C4@courier.lmu.ac.uk> from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Jan 18, 95 05:54:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 737 Lines: 31 > > > > > > April, I think. In time for the next Gloucester show at least... > > > > When is that show? Perhaps I'll dangle my way through France, > > through the tunnel and join up? Is it far from Dover (or wherever) > > to Gloucester? > > > > In a word, Yes. > > Not very helpful, but I imagine it's about 150+ miles. Metric? Where is Gloucester anyway? Wales? > > Maybe ( I haven't a map to hand...) > > Dan. > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 18:26:48 1995 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: Termite Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 18:23:00 PST Message-Id: <2F1DCB9E@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 10 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 161 Lines: 10 > Metric? We downt work ins metric downs 'ere moy luvver. :)) > Where is Gloucester anyway? Wales? Inbetween England & Wales at the bottom. Dan. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 18:29:13 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: YS Sam screen routines To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 18:26:15 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <425D2D90A90@lewis.sms.ed.ac.uk> from "ANDREW.D.BIRKETT" at Jan 18, 95 03:20:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 865 Lines: 28 > > I've had resolutions of 512*384*4 going and it doesn't look that bad. > > Are there specific PD routines for increasing the apparent number of colours > on screen. I don't feel up to working one out for myself. :-/ > > Andrew > Okay... basically... argh... it's hard to work out... You are basically time averaging the colour, so it's difficult to work out what to do... one person has done it by swapping between 3 screens -- on each of the screens is a picture that is either a Red, Green or Blue scale of the image. The palette is set to a scale from black to the colour. FOr each line (or every 2 lines, as you can't do it every line due to timing constraints), you change the screen and palette. Do it in this sequence: Frame 1: RGBRGBRGB Frame 2: GBRGBRGBR Frame 3: BRGBRGBRG Not too good, but it works Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 18:31:49 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501181828.AA07214@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Termite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 19:28:15 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9501181810.AA03892@boothp1.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jan 18, 95 07:10:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 461 Lines: 17 > > However, if you have Netscape then you have also FTP, gopher and news, > because they are all built in... > So does mosaic. Netscape decodes JPG. > imc > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From imc Wed Jan 18 18:56:44 1995 Subject: Re: Termite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 18:56:44 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 18, 95 6:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 840 Lines: 28 On Wed, 18 Jan 1995 18:09:22 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > btw: anyone want to look at my homepage? More SAM stuff coming up there > soon... > http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc It says things like... >Still, that having been said, I've retyped up the article and you can read it >here. ~~~~ Oh no I can't... >Quite amazingly really, I'm only 19 yet I've written for more issues of >Your Sinclair and .net magazine than your average jam-and-cream-filled >scone. Okay, so that's one issue of .net so far, and 11 issues of YS >(I think...), but that's pretty good going, dontcha think? Well aren't you the clever one... (By my 18th birthday I had only managed 5 issues of "Your Computer". Pathetic isn't it. Still, if anyone had asked me to write an article for them it might have been nice...) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 19:08:46 1995 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: Termite Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 19:05:00 PST Message-Id: <2F1DD5AE@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 718 Lines: 21 > >Quite amazingly really, I'm only 19 yet I've written for more issues of > >Your Sinclair and .net magazine than your average jam-and-cream-filled > >scone. Okay, so that's one issue of .net so far, and 11 issues of YS > >(I think...), but that's pretty good going, dontcha think? > > Well aren't you the clever one... > > (By my 18th birthday I had only managed 5 issues of "Your Computer". > Pathetic isn't it. Still, if anyone had asked me to write an article > for them it might have been nice...) > > imc > Well I'm 21 and had sod all published - maybe that's cos I don't write I had a line ad in Crash when I was 12 and a proggie in Format- does that count? :)) Dan 'Eclair' Doore From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 19:15:32 1995 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 20:16:18 +0100 X400-Originator: goringgn%sun.aston.ac.uk@aston.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<1656.9501181916@sun.aston.ac.uk] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Termite From: goringgn Message-Id: <1656.9501181916@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Termite X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 142 Lines: 6 I'm just getting a humourous (bloik!) script published in a crappy american fanzine. So at least I've crossed the pond. Nerr! Graham From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 20:52:07 1995 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 20:48:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Taylor X-Sender: sct1000@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: YS Sam screen routines In-Reply-To: <9501181412.AA03189@boothp1.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 532 Lines: 15 > > Having said that, I had a > > 512*384*4 video driver alpha for Driver v2 which just flickered between > ^^^^^^^^^ > > two such screens and it looked fine. > > It does exist then...... > > imc Er, kind of, but I don't know if I'll ever get it finished. Incidentally, for anyone who saw the DPL compiler at the last show, you'll be pleased to know it know works 100% effectively and I've got the garbage collection sorted. Steve. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 20:52:32 1995 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 20:48:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Taylor X-Sender: sct1000@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Termite In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 476 Lines: 18 On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Simon Cooke wrote: > > > April, I think. In time for the next Gloucester show at least... > > > > When is that show? Perhaps I'll dangle my way through France, > > through the tunnel and join up? Is it far from Dover (or wherever) > > to Gloucester? > > No firm details as of yet -- but gloucester it is. I've just bought a new > hat for the occasion... this time it's a Stetson (or equivalent). :) > > Simon Oh dear... Steve. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 22:22:17 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Termite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 22:20:41 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9501181856.AA04083@boothp1.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jan 18, 95 07:56:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1100 Lines: 34 > It says things like... > > >Still, that having been said, I've retyped up the article and you can read it > >here. > ~~~~ > > Oh no I can't... As I said on the front page, please excuse the wet paint :) > > >Quite amazingly really, I'm only 19 yet I've written for more issues of > >Your Sinclair and .net magazine than your average jam-and-cream-filled > >scone. Okay, so that's one issue of .net so far, and 11 issues of YS > >(I think...), but that's pretty good going, dontcha think? > > Well aren't you the clever one... That's nothing... I was still only 16 when I was asked to write for YS :) Actually... sorry, I may have been only 15... *ponders*... > (By my 18th birthday I had only managed 5 issues of "Your Computer". > Pathetic isn't it. Still, if anyone had asked me to write an article > for them it might have been nice...) *smiles* well, I must admit that YS was a bit out of the blue. Best bet is to phone up an editor and tell them your idea, then send a synopsis if they're interested. Nearly always works :) > imc > Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 22:24:24 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Termite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 22:23:00 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9501181908.aa23175@ax433.mclink.it> from "Arne Di Russo" at Jan 18, 95 07:08:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1189 Lines: 31 > > *may* support more than one modem at a time... either that, or it'll > have > > SAMs communicating via MIDI, all running the same software... whichever > > is best... > > The SAMs communicating via MIDI idea is great for a multiline BBS as I > don't think that one SAM would be able to handle more than one 38400 bps > line... but for a BBS a HD is absolutely necessary!! *smiles* so far as I can see, there wouldn't be much traffic anyway, so Midi should do the job... I'll try it out (we've got 2 sams here) > > Wellllll.... I was thinking of LYNX at first, and then graphical > software > > very soon after. :) (I've got some of the GIF decoding and dithering to > 4 > > colours written, but I need a hard-drive for the grapical version > methinks..) > > A hard-drive would be fine for almost everything, > so we need that DOS + IF desperately... > > > April, I think. In time for the next Gloucester show at least... > > I will be there, that's for sure! :-) It'll be good to see you. Anyone else coming? If so, how about meeting up in a defined place this time? Or wearing badges or something? I dunno.. anyone got any ideas????? Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jan 18 22:25:03 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Termite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 22:23:57 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Steve Taylor" at Jan 18, 95 08:48:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 132 Lines: 10 > Oh dear... > > Steve. *grins* just be glad I didn't go for the bowler or the top hat (not that I would...) Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 02:55:57 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Quazar Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 3:52:40 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501190352.aa06531@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1432 Lines: 43 Hi Colin! > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:26:40 +0100 > From: Colin G Piggot > > I have done most playing software, with the screen on; > > 7.8KHz, 15.6KHz, stereo, mono, 8 bit, 16 bit... > > all just about done! Great! :-) (I hope you meant 15.6Khz stereo 16 bit is possible at the same time!) >> There should be also some sort of driver that adds some commands to >> SAMBasic for using sound playback from within Basic programs. > > Yup, going to be done, with a jump table so the same piece of code can be > used from M/C. This will be the main reason for me buying one. One last question: How about background noise, did you manage to keep that low at least with 16bit reproduction? > The only thing stopping me doing this is the annoying fact that i have exams > next week, but after which - full steam ahead! How much better life at university would be without those nasty exams don't you think so, too? ;-))) Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 06:10:04 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Various Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 7:06:59 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501190706.aa00689@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1073 Lines: 29 Hi Simon! > From: Simon Cooke > Subject: Re: Termite > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 22:23:00 +0000 (GMT) > > *smiles* so far as I can see, there wouldn't be much traffic anyway, so > Midi should do the job... I'll try it out (we've got 2 sams here) BTW why MIDI and not network (Did ever an application use the network??)? > It'll be good to see you. Anyone else coming? If so, how about meeting up > in a defined place this time? Or wearing badges or something? I dunno.. > anyone got any ideas????? Perhaps badges with 'SAM Internet Chat Club Member' written on it! ;-) Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 06:10:44 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Various2 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 7:07:40 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501190707.aa00714@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 923 Lines: 26 Hello Simon! > From: Simon Cooke > Subject: Re: Termite > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 18:09:22 +0000 (GMT) > > btw: anyone want to look at my homepage? More SAM stuff coming up there > soon... > > http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc I looked at them just some minutes ago... They are quite 'heavy' in terms of Kbytes, apart from that they aren't bad... ;-) I liked the fact that now you aren't simply a name without a face anymore! Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 07:29:30 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 19 Jan 95 01:53:53 +0000 Subject: .. Message-Id: <848_9501190725@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2144 Lines: 44 On (17 Jan 95) simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk wrote to All... > Right, it's running at 38400 baud at the moment, using a 14400 baud > modem, and it doesn't lose characters in both Hardware -and- software > flow control modes. In No Flow Control mode (testing only?), at 2400 baud > it keeps up fine, until the screen scrolls, where it loses 1 out of every > 30 characters sent... Si which interupt mode is the UART set to, RxRDY or FiFoFULL? I expect you've got a bit more CPU overhead in your ANSI emulation and the extra screen modes, but with my hand-optimised ZMP15 running under ProDos1.923 which emulates VT-52 and isn't optimised in terms of screen banking and a tiny 256byte Rx ring-buffer it copes without flow-control and screen scrolling at almost 9600baud! 4800 baud and NO characters are lost even on long file spooling... Of course 19.2k and 38.4k work fine WITH hardware flow-control... That's using UART interupt on RxRDY and only getting one byte per interupt! I'm going to re-write my ISR & ring-buffer read code to do Interupt on FiFoFULL which will reduce the UART interupt overhead by 2/3rd's which should allow continuos 9600baud without flow-control which means Class2 Fax reception will be possible under OS RS232 support! > Nope, I'm not joking -- Fax may take a while (I really need a hard fax to > test it with, either that or two fax modems... still, I've got *SOME* > documents on it). I think the most complex part of a Fax program will be the encoding and decoding of the Fax file being transfered. The Transaction using Class2 is reasonably simple ie you don't worry about CRC checking etc as Class2 handles that for you! At least that's what the Class2 section of my modems Fax chapter says;-) I know where I can get hold of the author of the MS-DOS BG-FAX or the QL's FAX program. Would you like me to see if they have any doc files that'll assist you? ... Faster, Cheaper, More Efficient, Modems or Wives? -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 07:29:31 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 19 Jan 95 05:16:20 +0000 Subject: .. Message-Id: <849_9501190725@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1956 Lines: 53 Hi Arne! On (17 Jan 95) MC8189@mclink.it wrote to All... > Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 18:29:01 CET > From: Arne Di Russo > From: Johnathan Taylor > Date: 16 Jan 95 03:57:28 +0000 > Subject: Where's everyone gone? >> Has any of the peeps that got a beta-release of the Small-C port done any >> test compilations with it? If they have how did it work out? > SMALL-C for SAM??!! Great, I hope its for native mode... Where can I get > it? It was announced in this list some time back... Apparently a couple of people got beta-test copies and then everthing went quiet. Still waiting for a report myself! >> If EDOS IDE-HD hardware interface does not come to fruition there should be >> a generic-z80 IDE-HD interface daughter-board available sometime this year >> which WILL fit the Sam (I've been making sure of that;-) > Are you talking about the one developed in Holland which I mentioned some > time > before X-mas or is there even another one? I have the circuit board scheme > of the one from holland,its quite easy to build but it is absolutely > useless without a good DOS! I've not seen that one! This one is designed by Tilmann Reh mainly and is designed to fit in almost ANY z80/180 machine with preselectable I/O address. The design assumes an existing *real* OS of some sort ie CP/M2,CP/M3 or TurboDos etc. Native mode DOS is someone elses responsabilty AFAIC Could you ZIP up the screens of the schematic and uue-email them to me so I can check it out? please:-) (If the design is that easy to build it'll be handy to allow me to get on with my CP/M3 bios until the Generic full-function one is available) Regards Johnathan ... Eurostar cancelled!!! Seagull droppings on the lines....... -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 07:29:32 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 19 Jan 95 06:05:04 +0000 Subject: Where's everyone gone? Message-Id: <84a_9501190725@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1283 Lines: 35 On (17 Jan 95) Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote... > On Tue, 17 Jan 1995 18:20:13 +0100 (MET), Frode Tennebo said: >> Surface mounted devices: Just the same as ordinary components, >> just SMALLER! > So where does the name come from? (Where do they think I mount the > ordinary devices - in the air?...) If you mount DIP's on the surface then you're doing it wrong! They *mount* through pre-drilled holes thru the PCB. SMD are literally mounted ie soldered to the pads on the same side of the PCB as the chip casing. Some are also glued to the PCB first as that's the only way to secure them prior to soldering. The comercial advantage is less thru-plated holes and higher component density due to smaller packages as there no longer needs to be as much adjacent pin clearance. Though I'm not above converting a DIP device into a SMD and hardwiring it into existing designs;-) Regards Johnathan. PS re 74, HC374 & HC574 they are functionally the same! BUT their D->Q pinout is totally different.. next time look at the pinouts first;-) ... The truth is one thing that nobody will believe. -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 07:29:58 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 19 Jan 95 06:10:02 +0000 Subject: Where's everyone gone? Message-Id: <84b_9501190725@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1991 Lines: 49 On (18 Jan 95) simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk wrote in response to jet@centron.com... >> Based on German prices the generic board will probably be quite competative >> price-wise despite the use of a GAL and a pair of 'LS646 chips! >> Would simplify things quite a bit if the generic interface were used via a >> fake z80 40pin dil upgrade socket on the Multi-Rom motherboard, certainly >> reduce your designing&development overheads:-) > *smiles* take me to your leader... :) DO you mean you're interested? If so I'll email a list of pins that'll need to be brought out to the fake-z80 socket, dimensions and register allocations that we implement(It's slightly different to yours and my original!) >> ANSI glitches sorted now? > Yep... although I've got to rewrite it all using a 4 table finite state > machine :( And I've got to keep a copy of the text and attributes off > screen as well... but I may put a "fast" copy of the software on the disk > as well, which is optimised to the max for ANSI... Feel free to Zip up the ascii'ised source and send me a copy and I'll give you the benifit of my enormouse intelect >> It would allow EMSI logons to BBS's and EMSI Fido mail sessions. >> That's one thing that's seriously lacking in z80 scripted terminals:-( > Waaaaaaayyyyy ahead of you -- I've got the IEMSI specs from Fidonet, and > I'm plugging them in as we speak... Ok, but hooking it into scripts will allow the flexibility to make it future proof (sort of;) > There's nothing wrong with Native mode y'know -- it does the job! Exactly what job is that? Oh yes provides a launchpad to write your own operting system yourself to support your own standard applications;-) Regards Johnathan. ... Parallel lines never meet, unless you bend one or both of them. -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 08:40:42 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501190838.AA21775@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Termite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:38:49 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 18, 95 10:23:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 589 Lines: 17 > It'll be good to see you. Anyone else coming? If so, how about meeting up > in a defined place this time? Or wearing badges or something? I dunno.. > anyone got any ideas????? I might. If I knew when it is going to take place. What about a flower in your hair? Or hat? :) > > Simon > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 09:00:07 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501190858.AA22271@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Termite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:58:33 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9501181856.AA04083@boothp1.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jan 18, 95 07:56:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1112 Lines: 30 > >Quite amazingly really, I'm only 19 yet I've written for more issues of > >Your Sinclair and .net magazine than your average jam-and-cream-filled > >scone. Okay, so that's one issue of .net so far, and 11 issues of YS > >(I think...), but that's pretty good going, dontcha think? And where can I find this .net? Any Swizz retailers? :) > > Well aren't you the clever one... > > (By my 18th birthday I had only managed 5 issues of "Your Computer". > Pathetic isn't it. Still, if anyone had asked me to write an article > for them it might have been nice...) Hah! Except for publishing and writing a magazine for 4 years, I have also had a 'Your Letters' in Format, a proggie in a magazine AND commercially released business software that was sold in 2 copies I think.... *smile* > > imc > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 09:32:40 1995 From: slawek@namu01.gwdg.de Message-Id: <9501190929.AA23276@namu01.gwdg.de> To: sam-Users@nvg.unit.no Cc: slawek@namu01.gwdg.de Subject: COMM`ix Terminal Program & TIFF Converter Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 10:29:31 +0100 X-Mts: smtp Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 531 Lines: 15 Hi ! I send to nvg... my Terminal Program COMM`ix ( shareware Version ) and it will work with 14400 bps Modems at full Sam UART speed , have ASCI 4 Colours with logic , Xmodem , Xmodem 1kB , Ymodem ( now only for download ) , 10 TelephoneNo. Diary and user defineable F-keys , but only 80x24 without status line . I send a TIFF -> Sam RGB Converter by Stephan Haller with two Pix Disks ( converted by me ) . This Version have a new display procedure . Slawek. slawek@namu01.gwdg.de slawek@truline.harz.sub.org From imc Thu Jan 19 10:54:08 1995 Subject: Re: YS Sam screen routines To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 10:54:08 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Steve Taylor" at Jan 18, 95 8:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 322 Lines: 9 On Wed, 18 Jan 1995 20:48:02 +0000 (GMT), Steve Taylor said: > > It does exist then...... > Er, kind of, but I don't know if I'll ever get it finished. It's just that I was standing nearby in the last Gloucester show when you told someone categorically that there was not going to be a new version... ;-) imc From imc Thu Jan 19 11:01:11 1995 Subject: Re: Termite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 11:01:11 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 18, 95 10:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 380 Lines: 10 On Wed, 18 Jan 1995 22:20:41 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > That's nothing... I was still only 16 when I was asked to write for YS :) > Actually... sorry, I may have been only 15... *ponders*... Well my first article was published in 1985 so ner... :-) [actually it was a game listing, but most of the main features in YC were usually game listings anyway]. imc From imc Thu Jan 19 11:04:02 1995 Subject: Re: Termite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 11:04:02 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 18, 95 10:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 545 Lines: 11 On Wed, 18 Jan 1995 22:23:00 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > It'll be good to see you. Anyone else coming? If so, how about meeting up > in a defined place this time? Or wearing badges or something? I dunno.. > anyone got any ideas????? Well we could distribute a GIF and/or some words (or maybe a postscript file) that would be instantly recognisable which we could print out and make badges out of (the more observant people at the last show will have noticed that I was wearing a badge with a picture of a speccy on it). imc From imc Thu Jan 19 11:10:37 1995 Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 11:10:37 GMT In-Reply-To: <84a_9501190725@centron.com>; from "Johnathan Taylor" at Jan 19, 95 6:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 795 Lines: 21 On 19 Jan 95 06:05:04 +0000, Johnathan Taylor said: > If you mount DIP's on the surface then you're doing it wrong! They *mount* > through pre-drilled holes thru the PCB. Well, so I mount them on the opposite surface. :-) [description of SMD deleted] There are two things which fit this description which are visible if I look into the Sam's floppy (an HC00 and an HC03 if I remember correctly). I presume these are they. > PS re 74, HC374 & HC574 they are functionally the same! BUT their D->Q pinout > is totally different.. next time look at the pinouts first;-) According to my Maplin catalogue they have identical pinouts. Unfortunately the catalogue doesn't say whether they have buffered outputs or not and doesn't give the output characteristics either. imc From imc Thu Jan 19 11:21:36 1995 Subject: Re: Various To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 11:21:36 GMT In-Reply-To: <9501190706.aa00689@ax433.mclink.it>; from "Arne Di Russo" at Jan 19, 95 7:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 868 Lines: 19 Hi. Me again. That's what happens if I save up all the messages and then reply to them all at once... :-) On Thu, 19 Jan 95 7:06:59 CET, Arne Di Russo said: > BTW why MIDI and not network (Did ever an application use the network??)? As far as I can see, they are the same thing. I haven't a clue what the extra 2 pins on the MIDI port are for, because if you switch the Sam on, type DEVICE N and then save something, it goes through the MIDI port. I have a connection between my +3 MIDI port and the Sam one so that I can easily transfer programs across. (Unfortunately, SamDOS doesn't know about device N, so you have to poke the DOS away whenever you want to use that device. I haven't got MasterDOS, but from what I gather it allows device N but uses it in an incompatible manner. Perhaps it actually uses the "real" network?). imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 12:05:33 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: .. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:03:41 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <848_9501190725@centron.com> from "Johnathan Taylor" at Jan 19, 95 01:53:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2381 Lines: 47 > extra screen modes, but with my hand-optimised ZMP15 running under ProDos1.923 > which emulates VT-52 and isn't optimised in terms of screen banking and a tiny > 256byte Rx ring-buffer it copes without flow-control and screen scrolling at > almost 9600baud! 4800 baud and NO characters are lost even on long file > spooling... Of course 19.2k and 38.4k work fine WITH hardware flow-control... > That's using UART interupt on RxRDY and only getting one byte per interupt! > I'm going to re-write my ISR & ring-buffer read code to do Interupt on FiFoFULL > which will reduce the UART interupt overhead by 2/3rd's which should allow > continuos 9600baud without flow-control which means Class2 Fax reception will > be possible under OS RS232 support! Right, well, I'm using RXRDY mode at the moment -- I didn't think I could get away with FifoFull, in case only 2 bytes were received -- it'd just hang, with no data coming back. I know that this isn't likely, but it came to mind... Got to remember that screen clearing and scrolling in my code is all done using LDI's -- I can't afford to switch interrupts off for it. And the colour encoding gets in the way a tad... still, it's all got to be optimised, but I reckon the optimisations will be cancelled when I put the shadow text screen in (for the scroll-back buffer, and string grabbing, etc) > > Nope, I'm not joking -- Fax may take a while (I really need a hard fax to > > test it with, either that or two fax modems... still, I've got *SOME* > > documents on it). > > I think the most complex part of a Fax program will be the encoding and > decoding of the Fax file being transfered. The Transaction using Class2 is > reasonably simple ie you don't worry about CRC checking etc as Class2 handles > that for you! At least that's what the Class2 section of my modems Fax chapter > says;-) *grins* Yeah, Class 2 is a lot better documented than Class 1 as well in the docs I've got, so it's not only easier to use, it's also easier to understand! > I know where I can get hold of the author of the MS-DOS BG-FAX or the QL's > FAX program. Would you like me to see if they have any doc files that'll assist > you? Pretty pretty please!!!! Can you drop me your home address so I can send you an alpha copy of Termite and see if you've got any ideas??? Si From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 12:10:25 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:07:47 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <84b_9501190725@centron.com> from "Johnathan Taylor" at Jan 19, 95 06:10:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1803 Lines: 45 > >> reduce your designing&development overheads:-) > > > *smiles* take me to your leader... :) > > DO you mean you're interested? If so I'll email a list of pins that'll need to > be brought out to the fake-z80 socket, dimensions and register allocations > that we implement(It's slightly different to yours and my original!) Yes please :) If we had bigger SAM boxes we could put the design we've got on the MultiROM, but we haven't :( > >> ANSI glitches sorted now? > > > Yep... although I've got to rewrite it all using a 4 table finite state > > machine :( And I've got to keep a copy of the text and attributes off > > screen as well... but I may put a "fast" copy of the software on the disk > > as well, which is optimised to the max for ANSI... > > Feel free to Zip up the ascii'ised source and send me a copy and I'll > give you the benifit of my enormouse intelect *smiles* will do, the moment I get chance :) > >> It would allow EMSI logons to BBS's and EMSI Fido mail sessions. > >> That's one thing that's seriously lacking in z80 scripted terminals:-( > > > Waaaaaaayyyyy ahead of you -- I've got the IEMSI specs from Fidonet, and > > I'm plugging them in as we speak... > > Ok, but hooking it into scripts will allow the flexibility to make it future > proof (sort of;) Yeah -- don't worry, I've got it covered. You can even call scripts within scripts -- fully nested to 256 levels is the plan... And I'm sticking an up-to-4Mb disk cache in the system... > > There's nothing wrong with Native mode y'know -- it does the job! > > Exactly what job is that? Oh yes provides a launchpad to write your own > operting system yourself to support your own standard applications;-) Yep! Got it in one! Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 12:11:32 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Various2 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:09:38 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9501190707.aa00714@ax433.mclink.it> from "Arne Di Russo" at Jan 19, 95 07:07:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 367 Lines: 14 > > I looked at them just some minutes ago... > They are quite 'heavy' in terms of Kbytes, apart from that > they aren't bad... ;-) > I liked the fact that now you aren't simply a name without > a face anymore! *smiles* Any ideas on how I can cut down the K count? Text only viewers have no problems, I know, but other than that... any clues? Si From imc Thu Jan 19 12:13:40 1995 Subject: Re: Various2 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 12:13:40 GMT In-Reply-To: <9501190707.aa00714@ax433.mclink.it>; from "Arne Di Russo" at Jan 19, 95 7:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 264 Lines: 7 On Thu, 19 Jan 95 7:07:40 CET, Arne Di Russo said: > I liked the fact that now you aren't simply a name without > a face anymore! BTW my ugly mug has been on the WWW for several months now... :-) imc (http://www.comlab.ox.ac.uk/oucl/users/ian.collier/) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 12:14:12 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Various To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:12:02 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9501190706.aa00689@ax433.mclink.it> from "Arne Di Russo" at Jan 19, 95 07:06:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1022 Lines: 29 > > > > *smiles* so far as I can see, there wouldn't be much traffic anyway, so > > Midi should do the job... I'll try it out (we've got 2 sams here) > > BTW why MIDI and not network (Did ever an application use the network??)? Wellll.... the Network is the same as the midi to the ASIC -- there's no special way of accessing it -- you just connect up your cabbles and send and read from port 253... Dunno about the actual electrical side of it though... might be differentially driven (can't remember if Midi is /anyway/) > > It'll be good to see you. Anyone else coming? If so, how about meeting > up > > in a defined place this time? Or wearing badges or something? I dunno.. > > anyone got any ideas????? > > Perhaps badges with 'SAM Internet Chat Club Member' written on it! Actualllyy.... not a bad idea :) How about T-shirts instead????? ;) Simon ps Seen the best_of_kapsa.td0 yet? It's bloody brilliant! Wow... I mean, a SAM club with over 300 members? Extraordinary! From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 12:14:13 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Termite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:12:54 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <199501190838.AA21775@ulke.hiMolde.no> from "Frode Tennebo" at Jan 19, 95 09:38:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 431 Lines: 16 > > > It'll be good to see you. Anyone else coming? If so, how about meeting up > > in a defined place this time? Or wearing badges or something? I dunno.. > > anyone got any ideas????? > > I might. If I knew when it is going to take place. > What about a flower in your hair? Or hat? :) A hat???? :) One coming right up... actually, we may have an A0 sized ENTROPY poster behind us on the stall... Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 12:17:50 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Termite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:15:07 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <199501190858.AA22271@ulke.hiMolde.no> from "Frode Tennebo" at Jan 19, 95 09:58:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 528 Lines: 16 [Swiss retailers of .net] Hang on, I may be able to point you in the right direction... just got to ferret arou d... actually, can you go to the futurenet www pages (they're linked to my home page), and look for subscriptions/circulation on there? If they're not, email the webmaster and ask him nicely for an email address -- they should tell you! Talking of mags, I've also sold an article to Online World, and just have been commissioned for a 2500 word piece for Internet And Comms Today... Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 12:22:43 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Termite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:20:00 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9501191104.AA10035@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jan 19, 95 12:04:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 666 Lines: 18 > > On Wed, 18 Jan 1995 22:23:00 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > > It'll be good to see you. Anyone else coming? If so, how about meeting up > > in a defined place this time? Or wearing badges or something? I dunno.. > > anyone got any ideas????? > > Well we could distribute a GIF and/or some words (or maybe a postscript > file) that would be instantly recognisable which we could print out and > make badges out of (the more observant people at the last show will have > noticed that I was wearing a badge with a picture of a speccy on it). > > imc > Okay then... I'll work on it today and put it up on my web pages later... ;) Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 12:26:19 1995 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:21:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Taylor X-Sender: sct1000@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: YS Sam screen routines In-Reply-To: <9501191054.AA09978@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 406 Lines: 15 On Thu, 19 Jan 1995 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > > > It does exist then...... > > > Er, kind of, but I don't know if I'll ever get it finished. > > It's just that I was standing nearby in the last Gloucester show when you > told someone categorically that there was not going to be a new version... ;-) > > imc > I probably said that because Bob was listening. *grin* Steve. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 12:37:33 1995 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:29:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Taylor X-Sender: sct1000@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Various2 In-Reply-To: <9501190707.aa00714@ax433.mclink.it> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 328 Lines: 13 > I looked at them just some minutes ago... > They are quite 'heavy' in terms of Kbytes, apart from that > they aren't bad... ;-) > I liked the fact that now you aren't simply a name without > a face anymore! > > Bye, Arne That's funny, 'cos the first time I met Si I thought exactly the opposite! ;-) Steve. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 12:37:34 1995 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:33:19 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<4269.9501191233@pasta.st-andrew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Quazar From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <4269.9501191233@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Quazar Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 544 Lines: 19 > Great! :-) > (I hope you meant 15.6Khz stereo 16 bit is possible at the same time!) Yeah, should be possible, and the screen is on.... > How about background noise, did you manage to keep that low at > least with 16bit reproduction? Background noise doesn't interfer with the sound, the sound comes out nice and clear, especially at 16 bit mode. > How much better life at university would be without those nasty exams > don't you think so, too? ;-))) A week from now and they are all over.... hooray! Bye, Colin. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 12:37:35 1995 From: P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:32:17 +0100 X400-Originator: P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<1623.9501191232@mother.cs.bham.] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Various2 Message-Id: <1623.9501191232@mother.cs.bham.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Various2 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 204 Lines: 9 >BTW my ugly mug has been on the WWW for several months now... :-) >imc (http://www.comlab.ox.ac.uk/oucl/users/ian.collier/) Were you one of the 'fab four' at one pont???!! (Just kidding) From imc Thu Jan 19 12:41:11 1995 Subject: Re: Various2 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 12:41:11 GMT In-Reply-To: <1623.9501191232@mother.cs.bham.ac.uk>; from "P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk" at Jan 19, 95 1:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 214 Lines: 11 On Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:32:17 +0100, P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk said: > Were you one of the 'fab four' at one pont???!! You know, I've never heard that before! imc PS. NOT! :-) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 13:03:52 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501191300.AA28409@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: YS Sam screen routines To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:00:36 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Steve Taylor" at Jan 19, 95 12:21:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 428 Lines: 16 > > I probably said that because Bob was listening. *grin* > That's why he's been telling me it does not exist! :) > Steve. > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 13:12:23 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501191308.AA28661@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Quazar To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:08:02 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <4269.9501191233@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> from "Colin G Piggot" at Jan 19, 95 01:33:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 763 Lines: 28 > > > > Great! :-) > > (I hope you meant 15.6Khz stereo 16 bit is possible at the same time!) > > Yeah, should be possible, and the screen is on.... BUT can we do other things at the same time? > > How much better life at university would be without those nasty exams > > don't you think so, too? ;-))) > > A week from now and they are all over.... hooray! Harr harr! My exams are ALL over for this life (I hope)! *smile* > > Bye, > Colin. > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 13:15:42 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501191312.AA28848@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Various2 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:12:34 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 19, 95 12:09:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 503 Lines: 19 > *smiles* > > Any ideas on how I can cut down the K count? Text only viewers have no > problems, I know, but other than that... any clues? Inline images tend to cause heavy K-load. :) > > Si > > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 13:23:49 1995 From: Allan Skillman Message-Id: <1466.9501191319@h2.ph.man.ac.uk> Subject: .SNA to SAM snap converter To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:19:02 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 618 Lines: 15 Hello everyone, Anyone interested in a .SNA to SAM snap converter? I wrote one over the holidays, For some reason I had this urge to play manic miner again and all I had was a copy in .SNA format. Its amazing what a little incentive can do! Allan -------------------------------------------------------------- Allan Skillman | Email : ajs@ax2.hep.ucl.ac.uk Research Fellow | allan@mphh2.ph.man.ac.uk High Energy Physics Group | allan@hpoprb.cern.ch Univerisy College London | skillman@cernvm.cern.ch WCE1 6BT | ------------------------------------------------------------- From imc Thu Jan 19 13:25:44 1995 Subject: Re: .SNA to SAM snap converter To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 13:25:44 GMT In-Reply-To: <1466.9501191319@h2.ph.man.ac.uk>; from "Allan Skillman" at Jan 19, 95 1:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 213 Lines: 7 On Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:19:02 +0000 (GMT), Allan Skillman said: > Anyone interested in a .SNA to SAM snap converter? Already got one. It runs on Sun Sparcstations. It is contained in Samtools. :-) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 13:35:12 1995 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:30:38 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<5518.9501191330@pasta.st-andrew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Quazar From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <5518.9501191330@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Quazar Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 173 Lines: 6 > BUT can we do other things at the same time? Yes, while the interrupts are running, there's still quite a lot of time left over for the main program loop. Colin. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 13:56:20 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501191352.AA00122@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:52:39 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9501171705.AA04633@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jan 17, 95 06:05:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 779 Lines: 22 > Also, can someone tell me what the difference is between the two octal > D-latches they seem to have? I think one is 74HC574 and the other is > 74HC374, but I could be wrong. The descriptions of these two things > which are on different pages seem to describe exactly the same device. OK! Here's the answer: The 74HC574 (D or N) uses high Q-lines while the 374 uses low as ...what's it called...carrying(?). BTW: They are not octal LATCHES, but flip-flops. > > imc > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 13:59:33 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501191356.AA00231@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:56:03 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9501191110.AA10082@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jan 19, 95 12:10:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 735 Lines: 23 > > PS re 74, HC374 & HC574 they are functionally the same! BUT their D->Q pinout > > is totally different.. next time look at the pinouts first;-) > > According to my Maplin catalogue they have identical pinouts. Right! > Unfortunately the catalogue doesn't say whether they have buffered outputs > or not and doesn't give the output characteristics either. Doesn't it give '_' on top of the Q-lines? on the 374? > > imc > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From imc Thu Jan 19 14:37:05 1995 Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 14:37:05 GMT In-Reply-To: <199501191356.AA00231@ulke.hiMolde.no>; from "Frode Tennebo" at Jan 19, 95 2:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 655 Lines: 15 On Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:56:03 +0100 (MET), Frode Tennebo said: > > Unfortunately the catalogue doesn't say whether they have buffered outputs > > or not and doesn't give the output characteristics either. > Doesn't it give '_' on top of the Q-lines? on the 374? No. The descriptions apply to several different chips, some of which are inverting and some not. I thought that 374 and 574 were both non-inverting. Otherwise I think the 374 has a non-inverting equivalent other than the 574. BTW Is there a difference between a latch and a flip-flop (aside from the fact that these particular chips have edge-triggered clock inputs)? imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 17:06:30 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501191646.AA05116@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Quazar To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 17:46:31 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <5518.9501191330@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> from "Colin G Piggot" at Jan 19, 95 02:30:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 707 Lines: 21 > > > BUT can we do other things at the same time? > > Yes, while the interrupts are running, there's still quite a lot of time left > over for the main program loop. Huh....if you want to have playback at 15625Hz, you must have an interupt every scan-line, and as we all know each scan-line allow for 384 T-states. How much of that is available for anything else than the play-routine? > > Colin. > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 19:19:33 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Various2 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:17:48 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <199501191312.AA28848@ulke.hiMolde.no> from "Frode Tennebo" at Jan 19, 95 02:12:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 414 Lines: 14 > > *smiles* > > > > Any ideas on how I can cut down the K count? Text only viewers have no > > problems, I know, but other than that... any clues? > > Inline images tend to cause heavy K-load. :) True, but I think I've limited it to 60k at the most for the front page... the biog bit is a bit bigger, but what I'll do is link that out as a gallery or something... (the pics that is) Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 19:32:03 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: .SNA to SAM snap converter To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:18:58 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9501191325.AA10814@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jan 19, 95 02:25:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 355 Lines: 15 > > On Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:19:02 +0000 (GMT), Allan Skillman said: > > Anyone interested in a .SNA to SAM snap converter? > > Already got one. It runs on Sun Sparcstations. It is contained in > Samtools. :-) > > imc > Ah, this is the difference -- Allan's one works on SAMs.. we ain't all got Sun workstations you know... Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Jan 19 23:18:32 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Components... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:17:44 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 228 Lines: 8 The difference between the 74574 and the 74374 is that the data in and out lines are swapped over... It's just different pinouts... Frode, I think you're thinking of the 576 which has the different levels on... Si From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 06:50:30 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Www-Page Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 7:47:26 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501200747.aa02563@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1103 Lines: 30 Hi Simon! >From: Simon Cooke >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:09:38 +0000 (GMT) > >> >> I looked at them just some minutes ago... >> They are quite 'heavy' in terms of Kbytes, apart from that >> they aren't bad... ;-) >> I liked the fact that now you aren't simply a name without >> a face anymore! > >*smiles* > >Any ideas on how I can cut down the K count? Text only viewers have no >problems, I know, but other than that... any clues? Perhaps you could use little icons instead of full size pictures so if someone wants to see the picture he has to click on the icon and then the picture will be sent. Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 06:51:20 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Sna->Sam Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 7:48:02 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501200748.aa02587@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 962 Lines: 25 Hi Allan! >From: Allan Skillman >Subject: .SNA to SAM snap converter >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:19:02 +0000 (GMT) > >Hello everyone, > >Anyone interested in a .SNA to SAM snap converter? I wrote one over the >holidays, For some reason I had this urge to play manic miner again and >all I had was a copy in .SNA format. Its amazing what a little incentive >can do! I'm very interested in the converter, so if you could upload it to nvg I would thank you very much! Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 06:51:37 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Midi 2 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 7:48:32 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501200748.aa02881@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1648 Lines: 45 Hi Simon! >From: Simon Cooke >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:12:02 +0000 (GMT) > >> BTW why MIDI and not network (Did ever an application use the network??)? > >Wellll.... the Network is the same as the midi to the ASIC -- there's no >special way of accessing it -- you just connect up your cabbles and send >and read from port 253... > >Dunno about the actual electrical side of it though... might be >differentially driven (can't remember if Midi is /anyway/) Please read my message to Ian about this. >> Perhaps badges with 'SAM Internet Chat Club Member' written on it! > >Actualllyy.... not a bad idea :) > >How about T-shirts instead????? ;) Don't know... I would prefer badges, I suspect weather in Britain in April is not adequate for wearing T-shirts.... >ps Seen the best_of_kapsa.td0 yet? It's bloody brilliant! Wow... I mean, >a SAM club with over 300 members? Extraordinary! I looked at it, it quite good although the best disk I saw up to know is still 'The Lyra'! Regarding the 300 members ... I suspect you are happy about this 'cause you are thinking about them as potential customers for your products! ;-))) Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 06:52:12 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Midi 1 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 7:49:01 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501200749.aa02904@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2338 Lines: 56 Hi Ian! >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:21:36 +0100 >From: Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk > >Hi. Me again. That's what happens if I save up all the messages and then >reply to them all at once... :-) > >On Thu, 19 Jan 95 7:06:59 CET, Arne Di Russo said: > >> BTW why MIDI and not network (Did ever an application use the network??)? > >As far as I can see, they are the same thing. I haven't a clue what the >extra 2 pins on the MIDI port are for, because if you switch the Sam on, >type DEVICE N and then save something, it goes through the MIDI port. I >have a connection between my +3 MIDI port and the Sam one so that I can >easily transfer programs across. (Unfortunately, SamDOS doesn't know about >device N, so you have to poke the DOS away whenever you want to use that >device. I haven't got MasterDOS, but from what I gather it allows device N >but uses it in an incompatible manner. Perhaps it actually uses the "real" >network?). I don't know much about it but SAM Tech manual says on page 3: MIDI IN: MIDI OUT: PIN SIGNAL PIN SIGNAL 1 net - loop 1 net - loop 2 not connected 2 gnd 3 net + loop 3 net + loop 4 midi + in 4 midi + out 5 midi - in 5 midi - out 6 net - loop 6 net - loop 7 net + loop 7 net + loop So it seems to me that net and midi do use quite separate outputs and inputs. I wrote some midi sw some time ago and the ports worked fine (both input and output) but midi cables use only 2 connections pin 4 and 5 of each connector MIDI IN and OUT. I never found some info about pins 1,3,6,7 so I don't know how they are used for the network... Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 06:52:49 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Hd-Schematics Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 7:49:35 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501200749.aa02962@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2114 Lines: 60 Hi Johnathan! >From: Johnathan Taylor >Date: 19 Jan 95 05:16:20 +0000 > > > SMALL-C for SAM??!! Great, I hope its for native mode... Where can I get > > it? > >It was announced in this list some time back... Apparently a couple of people >got beta-test copies and then everthing went quiet. Still waiting for a report >myself! I read something about it on the KAPSA-demo disk downloaded from nvg. It seems to be made by a Czech SAM user. > > Are you talking about the one developed in Holland which I mentioned some > > time > > before X-mas or is there even another one? I have the circuit board scheme > > of the one from holland,its quite easy to build but it is absolutely > > useless without a good DOS! > >I've not seen that one! This one is designed by Tilmann Reh mainly and is >designed to fit in almost ANY z80/180 machine with preselectable I/O address. >The design assumes an existing *real* OS of some sort ie CP/M2,CP/M3 or >TurboDos etc. >Native mode DOS is someone elses responsabilty AFAIC > >Could you ZIP up the screens of the schematic and uue-email them to me so I >can check it out? please:-) >(If the design is that easy to build it'll be handy to allow me to get on with >my CP/M3 bios until the Generic full-function one is available) Well, I have the schematic on an A4 size piece of paper. As I have a handyscanner I could scan it and send it to you as a b/w GIF or TIFF if you like. >... Eurostar cancelled!!! Seagull droppings on the lines....... Please don't even say such things, I will have to use the Eurostar in 2 weeks when I go to Leeds!!!! ;-))) Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 06:53:16 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Exams Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 7:50:04 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501200750.aa03022@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 778 Lines: 22 Hi Colin! >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:33:19 +0100 >From: Colin G Piggot > >> How much better life at university would be without those nasty exams >> don't you think so, too? ;-))) > >A week from now and they are all over.... hooray! Well, for the next few months at least... :-? Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 06:54:00 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Comm'Ix Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 7:50:40 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501200750.aa03333@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1421 Lines: 35 Hello, > From: slawek@namu01.gwdg.de > Subject: COMM`ix Terminal Program & TIFF Converter > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 10:29:31 +0100 > > I send to nvg... my Terminal Program COMM`ix ( shareware Version ) and > it will work with 14400 bps Modems at full Sam UART speed , have ASCI 4 > Colours with logic , Xmodem , Xmodem 1kB , Ymodem ( now only for > download ) , 10 TelephoneNo. Diary and user defineable F-keys , but > only 80x24 without status line . > I send a TIFF -> Sam RGB Converter by Stephan Haller with two Pix Disks > ( converted by me ) . This Version have a new display procedure . > > Slawek. > > slawek@namu01.gwdg.de > slawek@truline.harz.sub.org Has someone already tested this software? I downloaded it fro nvg but I still didn't have the time to tranfer it to my SAM so I don't know anything about it, although the description sounds very good! It still seems inferior to Termite but a least it is already available... Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 07:11:26 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 19 Jan 95 22:30:18 +0000 Subject: Where's everyone gone? Message-Id: <024_9501200711@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1692 Lines: 45 On (19 Jan 95) Frode.Tennebo@himolde.no wrote to All... > Frode Tennebo at 19 Jan 1995 14:56:03 >> "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jan 19, 95 12:10:38 pm >>> jet@centron.com >>> PS re 74, HC374 & HC574 they are functionally the same! BUT their D->Q >>> pinout is totally different.. next time look at the pinouts first;-) >> According to my Maplin catalogue they have identical pinouts. > Right! >> Unfortunately the catalogue doesn't say whether they have buffered >> outputs or not and doesn't give the output characteristics either. > Doesn't it give '_' on top of the Q-lines? on the 374? Why on earth should it say they're active-low when they are NOT? FYI:- from the 1993 TexasInstruments HC Data book... 74HC574 | 74HC374 1- /OC 20- Vcc | 1- /OC 20- Vcc 2- 1D 19- 1Q | 2- 1Q 19- 8Q 3- 2D 18- 2Q | 3- 1D 18- 8D 4- 3D 17- 3Q | 4- 2D 17- 7D 5- 4D 16- 4Q | 5- 2Q 16- 7Q 6- 5D 15- 5Q | 6- 3Q 15- 6Q 7- 6D 14- 6Q | 7- 3D 14- 6D 8- 7D 13- 7Q | 8- 4D 13- 5D 9- 8D 12- 8Q | 9- 4Q 12- 5Q 10- GND 11- CLK | 10- GND 11- CLK Both chips ARE logically and electrically the same, the only differences are the pinouts with the HC574 being more suitable to attachment to an inline 8-bit bus PCB layout that is all! If maplins claim they have the same pinouts then they are wrong! Johnathan. ... The truth is one thing that nobody will believe. -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 08:47:28 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501200845.AA19835@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 09:45:43 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <024_9501200711@centron.com> from "Johnathan Taylor" at Jan 19, 95 10:30:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1467 Lines: 38 > > Doesn't it give '_' on top of the Q-lines? on the 374? > > Why on earth should it say they're active-low when they are NOT? > FYI:- from the 1993 TexasInstruments HC Data book... > 74HC574 | 74HC374 > 1- /OC 20- Vcc | 1- /OC 20- Vcc > 2- 1D 19- 1Q | 2- 1Q 19- 8Q > 3- 2D 18- 2Q | 3- 1D 18- 8D > 4- 3D 17- 3Q | 4- 2D 17- 7D > 5- 4D 16- 4Q | 5- 2Q 16- 7Q > 6- 5D 15- 5Q | 6- 3Q 15- 6Q > 7- 6D 14- 6Q | 7- 3D 14- 6D > 8- 7D 13- 7Q | 8- 4D 13- 5D > 9- 8D 12- 8Q | 9- 4Q 12- 5Q > 10- GND 11- CLK | 10- GND 11- CLK > > Both chips ARE logically and electrically the same, the only differences are > the pinouts with the HC574 being more suitable to attachment to an inline > 8-bit bus PCB layout that is all! If maplins claim they have the same pinouts > then they are wrong! This is not what MY data book claims. I'm really sure that the lines were the same, BUT the 574 was active low. I'll check again, but...... > | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. Does this count here too? ;) > > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 09:30:35 1995 Message-Id: <9501200928.AA28597@dxmint.cern.ch> From: The Kid Subject: Re: Sna->Sam To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 10:28:03 MET In-Reply-To: <9501200748.aa02587@ax433.mclink.it>; from "Arne Di Russo" at Jan 20, 95 7:48 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 320 Lines: 17 > > I'm very interested in the converter, so if you could upload it to nvg > I would thank you very much! > > Bye, Arne Will do, at the moment its just a proceedure in SAM BASIC, was was toying with the idea of an emulator front end. Loading .sna snaps would just be an option. regards Allan From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 09:43:14 1995 From: Allan Skillman Message-Id: <20076.9501200938@h2.ph.man.ac.uk> Subject: Printer FX from DRIVER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 09:38:47 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 863 Lines: 19 Hi Everyone Any DRIVER Notepad users out there who are a bit peeved that they can't get all those nice FX which there printer provides? Well I have the solution! Yes folks this is another one of those `little routines I wrote over Xmas'. Basically it installs itself in the heap and intercepts data going to the 'b' channel looking for Character sequences, which it repaces with printer escape sequences. For example, by default the "Escape code" is \ (can't you tell I use TeX) and a sequence like \^ gives you superscipt and \_ gives you subscript etc. The printer sequences are user definiable, and can be any length so in theory you could do anything. If people are interested I will tidy the code up this weekend and upload it to nvg on monday togeather with the snap converter Allan (Finally getting around to some SAM programming) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 10:00:37 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 09:51:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Taylor X-Sender: sct1000@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Printer FX from DRIVER In-Reply-To: <20076.9501200938@h2.ph.man.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1074 Lines: 27 On Fri, 20 Jan 1995, Allan Skillman wrote: > Hi Everyone > > Any DRIVER Notepad users out there who are a bit peeved that they can't > get all those nice FX which there printer provides? Well I have the solution! > > Yes folks this is another one of those `little routines I wrote over Xmas'. > Basically it installs itself in the heap and intercepts data going to > the 'b' channel looking for Character sequences, which it repaces with > printer escape sequences. > > For example, by default the "Escape code" is \ (can't you tell I use TeX) > and a sequence like \^ gives you superscipt and \_ gives you subscript > etc. The printer sequences are user definiable, and can be any length > so in theory you could do anything. > > If people are interested I will tidy the code up this weekend and upload it > to nvg on monday togeather with the snap converter > > Allan (Finally getting around to some SAM programming) > Nice one! Though, I've a feeling that the missing characters in the output will screw up the word wrapping. Steve. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 10:15:27 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501201012.AA21799@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Printer FX from DRIVER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:12:38 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Steve Taylor" at Jan 20, 95 09:51:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 460 Lines: 16 > > Nice one! Though, I've a feeling that the missing characters in the > output will screw up the word wrapping. This was your job, remember ;) > > Steve. > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 10:41:47 1995 Message-Id: <9501201038.AA12674@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman (Dr Kid) Subject: Re: Printer FX from DRIVER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 11:38:56 MET In-Reply-To: <199501201012.AA21799@ulke.hiMolde.no>; from "Frode Tennebo" at Jan 20, 95 11:12 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 318 Lines: 6 Yeah I guess Steve is right (and so is Frode ;) - only joking Steve I think DRIVER is quite remarkable). Anyway most of the print FX I use tend to be on lines by themselves i.e titles and equations etc. Too get a perfect solution you would have to hack the Notepad code, which is what I wanted to avoid. Allan From imc Fri Jan 20 10:47:46 1995 Subject: Re: Printer FX from DRIVER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 10:47:46 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Steve Taylor" at Jan 20, 95 9:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 696 Lines: 19 On Fri, 20 Jan 1995 09:51:49 +0000 (GMT), Steve Taylor said: > On Fri, 20 Jan 1995, Allan Skillman wrote: > > For example, by default the "Escape code" is \ (can't you tell I use TeX) > > and a sequence like \^ gives you superscipt and \_ gives you subscript > > etc. I was thinking more along the lines of an actual TeX. :-) I bought a copy of "TeX: the program" just before Christmas, btw... > Nice one! Though, I've a feeling that the missing characters in the > output will screw up the word wrapping. Tasword had similar things (using block graphics characters instead of escape codes). It did get slightly awkward at times to lay everything out correctly... imc From imc Fri Jan 20 10:55:51 1995 Subject: Re: .SNA to SAM snap converter To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 10:55:51 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 19, 95 7:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 498 Lines: 17 On Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:18:58 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > > Already got one. It runs on Sun Sparcstations. It is contained in > > Samtools. :-) > > imc > Ah, this is the difference -- Allan's one works on SAMs.. we ain't all > got Sun workstations you know... I guessed that actually. Only he didn't say what machine it runs on. Hence the ":-)". :-) imc PS we ain't all got PCs you know. What am I supposed to do with that .td0 file someone mentioned earlier?... From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 11:10:42 1995 Message-Id: <9501201107.AA18545@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman (Dr Kid) Subject: Re: .SNA to SAM snap converter To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 12:07:49 MET In-Reply-To: <9501201056.AA06047@boothp1.ecs.ox.ac.uk>; from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jan 20, 95 11:55 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 263 Lines: 7 PC, who wants one of them :) A .td0 decruncher for the SAM, now thats an idea, of course you would need two disk drives (or a 1Mb expansion) Allan BTW does anyone out there know what the hell the USING keyword does in SAM BASIC or is it just a leftover From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 11:13:22 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:02:50 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <6060@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Now lets look through the round window X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 727 Lines: 21 I have been thinking.. (dangerous) As SAM in a mass produced for is basically dead, I wonder what sort of PC would be needed to emulate it? As a Disciple emulation and a Z80 emulation already exists, it would need someone with knowledge of the hardware to do it. Just a thought. I somehow cannot see Bob ever getting Sam2 off the ground, and with the iminent demise of West Coast, what is left? Anyone got a couple or hundred thou burning a hole in their pocket? Do not fret though, there are still a lot of us willing to support the machines that exist. I have a friend willing to look at repairs, and as long as I keep friendly with Bob, spares should be no problem. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From imc Fri Jan 20 11:40:20 1995 Subject: Re: Now lets look through the round window To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 11:40:20 GMT In-Reply-To: <6060@bgserv.demon.co.uk>; from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Jan 20, 95 11:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 1342 Lines: 28 On Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:02:50 GMT, Brian Gaff Sam Dept. said: > I have been thinking.. (dangerous) As SAM in a mass produced for > is basically dead, I wonder what sort of PC would be needed to > emulate it? I would say that if you used the software Z80 emulation of, say, Z80, then a graphics board and a sound chip would be sufficient. The sound chip would obviously be a Philips one identical to the Sam's. The graphics board would have to have either DMA or on-board memory in order to store the following information. * a memory image of the screen (between 6K and 24K) * palette info, including mid-screen palette changes * mode info, including mid-screen mode changes. If it didn't do this, then making a complete emulation would be a real pain because the mode can change on any part of the screen at a moment's notice and that would require a whole lot of processing to emulate in software. However, perhaps a SuperEmulator(tm) such as Arnt's proposed QAOP might be able to spare enough processing time to recreate the video whenever necessary. The software emulation should be able to count cycles and generate line interrupts at the correct times. Whenever the palette or mode changes, it should be able to work out what position on the screen to make the change from the cycle count. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 11:48:17 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:41:59 +0100 Message-Id: <95012011415925@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> From: cm3hdlt@bs41.staffs.ac.uk (I've got an idea, and it's as hot as my pants!) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Published? X-Vms-To: SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 457 Lines: 18 > >Well I'm 21 and had sod all published - maybe that's cos I don't write > >I had a line ad in Crash when I was 12 and a proggie in Format- does that >count? :)) > >Dan 'Eclair' Doore I had a listing published in the last issue of crash. Not quite up to Si's standard. What I want to know is, where did all of Si's hair come from? The last time I actually saw him, he had short hair (and didn't look quite so tall) Lord Blackadder From imc Fri Jan 20 11:49:18 1995 Subject: Re: Midi 1 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 11:49:18 GMT In-Reply-To: <9501200749.aa02904@ax433.mclink.it>; from "Arne Di Russo" at Jan 20, 95 7:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 1062 Lines: 25 On Fri, 20 Jan 95 7:49:01 CET, Arne Di Russo said: > >From: Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk > >As far as I can see, they are the same thing. I haven't a clue what the > >extra 2 pins on the MIDI port are for, because if you switch the Sam on, > >type DEVICE N and then save something, it goes through the MIDI port. > I don't know much about it but SAM Tech manual says on page 3: > MIDI IN: MIDI OUT: > PIN SIGNAL PIN SIGNAL > 1 net - loop 1 net - loop > 2 not connected 2 gnd > 3 net + loop 3 net + loop > 4 midi + in 4 midi + out > 5 midi - in 5 midi - out > 6 net - loop 6 net - loop > 7 net + loop 7 net + loop Yes I have seen that, but it doesn't make me any wiser... Perhaps the extra pins aren't even used, or are connected to the MIDI pins. Who knows?... imc From imc Fri Jan 20 11:56:34 1995 Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 11:56:34 GMT In-Reply-To: <199501200845.AA19835@ulke.hiMolde.no>; from "Frode Tennebo" at Jan 20, 95 9:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 524 Lines: 14 On Fri, 20 Jan 1995 09:45:43 +0100 (MET), Frode Tennebo said: > > FYI:- from the 1993 TexasInstruments HC Data book... [pin layouts deleted. BTW whether it's correct or not, that version of 574 looks more convenient...] > This is not what MY data book claims. I'm really sure that > the lines were the same, BUT the 574 was active low. I'll check > again, but...... Does every data book claim a different thing? ;-) How are we supposed to know what it _actually_ does? Has someone got one to test? imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 11:59:04 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501201155.AA23968@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Now lets look through the round window To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 12:55:19 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <6060@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Jan 20, 95 11:02:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1702 Lines: 48 > > I have been thinking.. (dangerous) As SAM in a mass produced for > is basically dead, I wonder what sort of PC would be needed to > emulate it? As a Disciple emulation and a Z80 emulation already > exists, it would need someone with knowledge of the hardware to > do it. *sigh* So, someone else has been thinking too? :) I have said it before. All you basically need is a new plug-in card for the PC, with a (new?!) ASIC, (new?) ROM, a Z80-cpu (or better, a Z380, or z80000???) and some buffering on the bus. Then you would have a SAM (toggable with a switch?) with basically SVGA, GUS, Hard-drive, disc-drive, meg's of RAM at a press of a putton. This is something Simon probably can cook (no pun intended) up in a weekend. Then perhaps you can make propper use of a PC too ;) This way, software emulation is not necessary. > > Just a thought. I somehow cannot see Bob ever getting Sam2 off > the ground, and with the iminent demise of West Coast, what is > left? Anyone got a couple or hundred thou burning a hole in > their pocket? What would it take? Perhaps a inc. with shares to invest in? > > Do not fret though, there are still a lot of us willing to > support the machines that exist. I have a friend willing to look > at repairs, and as long as I keep friendly with Bob, spares > should be no problem. > > Brian > > > -- > Brian Gaff Sam Dept. > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 12:29:54 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501201224.AA24638@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 13:24:34 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9501201156.AA00414@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jan 20, 95 12:56:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 913 Lines: 24 > Does every data book claim a different thing? ;-) How are we supposed to > know what it _actually_ does? Has someone got one to test? Apparantly, the HC374/574 works entirely differently according to who manufactures it. We have the following prefixes (ie. ??74HC374): BU, CD, GD, HD, LC, LR, M, MC, MM, N, PC, SN, TC, UPD and finally one without prefixes). Those without was the ones I described in an earlier posting. And I think the ones Johnathan described was the SN ones. Does that help you? ;) Ah..btw: each manufacturer also uses post-fixes to differentiate between models again. > > imc > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From imc Fri Jan 20 12:32:49 1995 Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 12:32:49 GMT In-Reply-To: <199501201224.AA24638@ulke.hiMolde.no>; from "Frode Tennebo" at Jan 20, 95 1:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 434 Lines: 13 On Fri, 20 Jan 1995 13:24:34 +0100 (MET), Frode Tennebo said: > Apparantly, the HC374/574 works entirely differently according to > who manufactures it. Oh dear. That sounds useful... > Those without was the ones I described in an > earlier posting. And I think the ones Johnathan described was > the SN ones. Does that help you? ;) So what have you on M74HCT574B1R and M74HCT374B1R? :-) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 12:34:33 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501201230.AA24785@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Now lets look through the round window To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 13:30:13 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199501201155.AA23968@ulke.hiMolde.no> from "Frode Tennebo" at Jan 20, 95 12:55:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 461 Lines: 13 [deletio] > a Z80-cpu (or better, a Z380, or z80000???) and some ^^^^^^ Should of course be a Z84C0020..... Oh, BTW: We are rapidly approacing 1000 mail-shots. -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 13:23:03 1995 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: .SNA to SAM snap converter Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 10:51:00 PST Message-Id: <2F20276B@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 8 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 195 Lines: 8 > Anyone interested in a .SNA to SAM snap converter? Excuse my ignorance but what is the .SNA format 'cos I've never met it before, I gather it's a snapshot format but from what. Dan From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 13:24:54 1995 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: .SNA to SAM snap converter Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 11:18:00 PST Message-Id: <2F2027E0@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 12 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 335 Lines: 12 > we ain't all got PCs you know. What am I supposed to do with that .td0 > file someone mentioned earlier?... My normal answer would be 'Unlucky!' the obvious answer would be 'Find a PC'. Do you not know anybody who can FTP it to a PC? Incidentally, how many pods are on Unix based systems as opposed to PC's? Dan. From imc Fri Jan 20 13:29:20 1995 Subject: RE: .SNA to SAM snap converter To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 13:29:20 GMT In-Reply-To: <2F20276B@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Jan 20, 95 10:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 527 Lines: 13 On Fri, 20 Jan 95 10:51:00 PST, Doore, Daniel [MIS] said: > Excuse my ignorance but what is the .SNA format 'cos I've > never met it before, I gather it's a snapshot format but from > what. It's only the most common snapshot format used by spectrum emulators... It consists of a header followed by a 48K memory dump. The format of the header is in the Spectrum FAQ (not that that would be any use to you as it looks like you don't have netnews access... but there should be a version for ftp somewhere). imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 13:35:48 1995 Message-Id: <9501201331.AA12815@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman (Dr Kid) Subject: Re: .SNA to SAM snap converter To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 14:31:36 MET In-Reply-To: <2F2027E0@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Jan 20, 95 11:18 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 313 Lines: 9 I think I'm right in saying that the SNA format was originally used by the Mirage microdriver (hands up all those with microdrives still!) but it seems to have become the standard for spectrum emulators now. Allan Well I'm writing this from a HP715 (which is at CERN) but I'm sitting on a DEC ALPHA From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 13:39:31 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 13:31:17 +0100 Message-Id: <95012013311739@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> From: cm3hdlt@bs41.staffs.ac.uk (I've got an idea, and it's as hot as my pants!) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: .SNA to SAM snap converter X-Vms-To: SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 394 Lines: 14 >> Anyone interested in a .SNA to SAM snap converter? > >Excuse my ignorance but what is the .SNA format 'cos I've >never met it before, I gather it's a snapshot format but from >what. > >Dan .SNA is the ST/Amiga/PC Speccy emulator format. The facility to convert them means that SAM users have access to all of the speccy games uploaded onto dedicated sites. Lord Blackadder From imc Fri Jan 20 13:43:07 1995 Subject: Re: .SNA to SAM snap converter To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 13:43:07 GMT In-Reply-To: <9501201331.AA12815@dxmint.cern.ch>; from "Allan Skillman" at Jan 20, 95 2:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 575 Lines: 15 On Fri, 20 Jan 95 14:31:36 MET, Allan Skillman said: > I think I'm right in saying that the SNA format was originally used by the > Mirage microdriver (hands up all those with microdrives still!) but it seems > to have become the standard for spectrum emulators now. I have a microdrive (and about 20 cartridges), but it's quite some time since I last used it... > Well I'm writing this from a HP715 (which is at CERN) but I'm sitting on > a DEC ALPHA I'm writing this from a Sun SPARCstation 2 (which is at Oxford), and I'm sitting on a chair. :-) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 14:02:25 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 13:57:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Taylor X-Sender: sct1000@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Printer FX from DRIVER In-Reply-To: <199501201012.AA21799@ulke.hiMolde.no> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 344 Lines: 14 On Fri, 20 Jan 1995, Frode Tennebo wrote: > > > > Nice one! Though, I've a feeling that the missing characters in the > > output will screw up the word wrapping. > > This was your job, remember ;) Er... No. :-) [Notepad is, and always has been, a simple text editor that uses a decent file format. Gie's a break!] Steve. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 14:07:01 1995 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: .SNA to SAM snap converter Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 13:47:00 PST Message-Id: <2F202DE4@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 8 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 204 Lines: 8 > It's only the most common snapshot format used by spectrum emulators... I said 'Excuse my ignorance' not 'patronise me'. Thanks to those who put me straight without being snide. Dan Doore From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 14:11:32 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501201407.AA27185@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: .SNA to SAM snap converter To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 15:07:29 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9501201343.AA03667@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jan 20, 95 02:43:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 735 Lines: 22 > > Well I'm writing this from a HP715 (which is at CERN) but I'm sitting on > > a DEC ALPHA > > I'm writing this from a Sun SPARCstation 2 (which is at Oxford), and I'm > sitting on a chair. :-) OK! I'm also sitting on a chair, typing on a Sun SPARCstation 20 at CERN whilst listening to it playing my favourite ABBA tunes, and telnetting to a DECstation 5000/200 back in Molde, Norway to send you guys this. *puh* > > imc > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 14:16:46 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501201411.AA27409@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Printer FX from DRIVER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 15:11:53 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Steve Taylor" at Jan 20, 95 01:57:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 592 Lines: 23 > > > > This was your job, remember ;) > > Er... No. :-) Well, it WOULD have been if you had made it your job. :) > > [Notepad is, and always has been, a simple text editor that uses a decent > file format. Gie's a break!] And when will we se a port of Word 6.0? ;) > > Steve. > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 15:43:07 1995 Message-Id: <9501201532.AA04574@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman (Dr Kid) Subject: Re: Printer FX from DRIVER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 16:32:56 MET In-Reply-To: <199501201411.AA27409@ulke.hiMolde.no>; from "Frode Tennebo" at Jan 20, 95 3:11 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 385 Lines: 10 Ere, Steve I'm sure it says Notepad is a Word processor in the DRiVER user guide. Well it does have Headers and footers..... BTW are we ever going to see some technical documentation for DRiVER v1 Steve, I understand that its probably in the hands of Bob whoops Revelation but nothings ever going to be written for it if nobody know how to access the GUI library. Allan From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 16:37:21 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Www-Page To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:32:15 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9501200747.aa02563@ax433.mclink.it> from "Arne Di Russo" at Jan 20, 95 07:47:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 244 Lines: 8 > Perhaps you could use little icons instead of full size pictures so > if someone wants to see the picture he has to click on the icon and then > the picture will be sent. Yeah... which section are the offending pics in though? Si From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 16:42:14 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Midi 2 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:38:31 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9501200748.aa02881@ax433.mclink.it> from "Arne Di Russo" at Jan 20, 95 07:48:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1600 Lines: 46 > >Dunno about the actual electrical side of it though... might be > >differentially driven (can't remember if Midi is /anyway/) > > Please read my message to Ian about this. Will do... > >How about T-shirts instead????? ;) > > Don't know... I would prefer badges, I suspect weather in Britain in > April is not adequate for wearing T-shirts.... Hmmmm... agreed, I think :) it may still be cold as we've had quite a warm winter so far... > >ps Seen the best_of_kapsa.td0 yet? It's bloody brilliant! Wow... I mean, > >a SAM club with over 300 members? Extraordinary! > > I looked at it, it quite good although the best disk I saw up to know > is still 'The Lyra'! *grins* > Regarding the 300 members ... I suspect you are happy about this 'cause > you are thinking about them as potential customers for your products! > > ;-))) Actually, no -- it's more that it's reassuring to see so many people supporting the SAM still -- I don't care what I get out of what I write for the SAM (we try and keep it down to cost price as much as possible now anyway), I just enjoy doing it, and seeing what other people come up with... but over 300 users... wow! Did you see the pics of SAMCON? What I'd give to go to -that-! Also, there's the news that it'd cost only 2500 pounds to do a first-run ASIC in the Czech republic... unfortunately, I've yet to get in touch with Bruce over the idea ... btw: Anyone interested in a UK SAMCON? Better than the Format run one I mean...? Probably it would be sited in the centre of Manchester... Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 16:42:15 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:37:05 +0100 Message-Id: <95012016370537@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> From: cm3hdlt@bs41.staffs.ac.uk (I've got an idea, and it's as hot as my pants!) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: WWW-Page X-Vms-To: SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 356 Lines: 16 >> Perhaps you could use little icons instead of full size pictures so >> if someone wants to see the picture he has to click on the icon and then >> the picture will be sent. > >Yeah... which section are the offending pics in though? > >Si I think he means the bit about yourself. BTW Si, have you received any of my mail?? Lord B' From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 16:47:24 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.manchester-computing-centre.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Comm'Ix To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:42:42 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.manchester-computing-centre.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9501200750.aa03333@ax433.mclink.it> from "Arne Di Russo" at Jan 20, 95 07:50:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Original-Sender: owner-sam-users@no.unit.nvg Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1372 Lines: 34 > > I send to nvg... my Terminal Program COMM`ix ( shareware Version ) and > > it will work with 14400 bps Modems at full Sam UART speed , have ASCI 4 > > Colours with logic , Xmodem , Xmodem 1kB , Ymodem ( now only for > > download ) , 10 TelephoneNo. Diary and user defineable F-keys , but > > only 80x24 without status line . > > I send a TIFF -> Sam RGB Converter by Stephan Haller with two Pix Disks > > ( converted by me ) . This Version have a new display procedure . > > > > Slawek. > > > > slawek@namu01.gwdg.de > > slawek@truline.harz.sub.org > > Has someone already tested this software? I downloaded it fro nvg > but I still didn't have the time to tranfer it to my SAM so I > don't know anything about it, although the description sounds > very good! > It still seems inferior to Termite but a least it is already available... Tested it... seems very nice... BUT... it loses characters on both send and receive (not tried the file xfer protocols, but this is what it does in terminal mode anyway), uses dithers to produce some of the colours (which is switchable -- nice idea, but it doesn't look any good), and won't do software flow control... Oh yes, and it hangs when I try to send email using my Internet dialup, which is VT100, so it shouldn't have any problems... Still, not bad for a freebie... :( Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 16:47:27 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:40:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Taylor X-Sender: sct1000@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Printer FX from DRIVER In-Reply-To: <9501201532.AA04574@dxmint.cern.ch> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 760 Lines: 20 > Ere, Steve I'm sure it says Notepad is a Word processor in the DRiVER user ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > guide. Well it does have Headers and footers..... Bobspeak for text editor. > BTW are we ever going to see some technical documentation for DRiVER v1 > Steve, I understand that its probably in the hands of Bob whoops Revelation > but nothings ever going to be written for it if nobody know how to access > the GUI library. > > Allan Well I did publish the docs in Fred, and some people did manage to use them (ie. the Mosaic game on the Driver Extras disk.) Mind you, I got a lot of negative feedback about the application-OS interface, and that's why no-one wants to write for it :-( Steve. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 16:49:37 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Printer FX from DRIVER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:44:56 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9501201038.AA12674@dxmint.cern.ch> from "Allan Skillman" at Jan 20, 95 11:38:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 598 Lines: 13 > Yeah I guess Steve is right (and so is Frode ;) - only joking Steve I think > DRIVER is quite remarkable). Anyway most of the print FX I use tend to be on > lines by themselves i.e titles and equations etc. Too get a perfect solution > you would have to hack the Notepad code, which is what I wanted to avoid. Just out of interest, Steve, have you considered using 4k pages with no overflow buffer instead of the 16K ones, and allocating them using a pointer based linked list? Could speed up things tremendously... :) (Guess who's doing that for Termite's editor? :) ) Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 16:50:24 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:43:16 +0100 Message-Id: <95012016431611@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> From: cm3hdlt@bs41.staffs.ac.uk (I've got an idea, and it's as hot as my pants!) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Uk SAMCON X-Vms-To: SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 244 Lines: 10 I think a UK SAMCON would be a great idea - hang on a mo' didn't you come up with a similar idea about 2 years ago?? What happened to that? A new ASIC would be great - count me in (on the money front, that is) Lord Blackadder From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 16:54:09 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:48:17 +0100 Message-Id: <95012016481707@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> From: cm3hdlt@bs41.staffs.ac.uk (I've got an idea, and it's as hot as my pants!) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Driver X-Vms-To: SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 980 Lines: 31 >> Ere, Steve I'm sure it says Notepad is a Word processor in the DRiVER user > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> guide. Well it does have Headers and footers..... > >Bobspeak for text editor. BoB - What a homo! > >> BTW are we ever going to see some technical documentation for DRiVER v1 >> Steve, I understand that its probably in the hands of Bob whoops Revelation >> but nothings ever going to be written for it if nobody know how to access >> the GUI library. >> >> Allan > >Well I did publish the docs in Fred, and some people did manage to use >them (ie. the Mosaic game on the Driver Extras disk.) Mind you, I got a >lot of negative feedback about the application-OS interface, and that's >why no-one wants to write for it :-( > How about uploading the docs to nvg so that those people that don't read Fred can have a look. You never know - people might start to take interest? >Steve. Lord Blackadder From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 16:58:36 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Published?OA To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:54:54 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <95012011415925@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> from "I've got an idea, and it's as hot as my pants!" at Jan 20, 95 11:41:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 534 Lines: 19 > I had a listing published in the last issue of crash. Not quite up to Si's > standard. > > What I want to know is, where did all of Si's hair come from? > > The last time I actually saw him, he had short hair (and didn't look quite so > tall) Quite obviously it was the hair fairy... and didn't you see I was wearing 9 inch stillettos? :) Btw: I've got something coming up in I&CT (2500 words), and a 1000 word piece in a copy of the Daily Express some time soon -- more as I know more myself :) SImon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 17:00:59 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Now lets look through the round window To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:57:18 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <6060@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Jan 20, 95 11:02:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 301 Lines: 10 > Just a thought. I somehow cannot see Bob ever getting Sam2 off > the ground, and with the iminent demise of West Coast, what is > left? Anyone got a couple or hundred thou burning a hole in > their pocket? Hang on Brian -- back pedal a bit here ... West Coast's demise????????? Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 17:01:00 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Midi 1 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:40:37 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9501200749.aa02904@ax433.mclink.it> from "Arne Di Russo" at Jan 20, 95 07:49:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 655 Lines: 14 > So it seems to me that net and midi do use quite separate outputs and > inputs. I wrote some midi sw some time ago and the ports worked fine > (both input and output) but midi cables use only 2 connections > pin 4 and 5 of each connector MIDI IN and OUT. > I never found some info about pins 1,3,6,7 so I don't know how they are > used for the network... I think this is another "mouse interrupt line" thing -- something that was designed, but never happened... I seem to remember that on my SAM PCB, the midi and the network were both connected to the same lines on the board... Let me get in touch with Bruce on this one... Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 17:02:02 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: .SNA to SAM snap converter To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:56:28 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9501201056.AA06047@boothp1.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jan 20, 95 11:55:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 216 Lines: 10 > imc > > PS we ain't all got PCs you know. What am I supposed to do with that .td0 > file someone mentioned earlier?... > Good question... Anyone up for writing the SAM version of teledisk??? SImon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 17:03:09 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501201659.AA01848@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: .SNA to SAM snap converter To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 17:59:07 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 20, 95 04:56:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 619 Lines: 23 > > > imc > > > > PS we ain't all got PCs you know. What am I supposed to do with that .td0 > > file someone mentioned earlier?... > > > > Good question... Anyone up for writing the SAM version of teledisk??? > Teledisk is copyrighted, and 'nobody' probably knows the file-format of the thing. > SImon > > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 17:03:55 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:57:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Taylor X-Sender: sct1000@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Printer FX from DRIVER In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 875 Lines: 19 > > Yeah I guess Steve is right (and so is Frode ;) - only joking Steve I think > > DRIVER is quite remarkable). Anyway most of the print FX I use tend to be on > > lines by themselves i.e titles and equations etc. Too get a perfect solution > > you would have to hack the Notepad code, which is what I wanted to avoid. > > Just out of interest, Steve, have you considered using 4k pages with no > overflow buffer instead of the 16K ones, and allocating them using a > pointer based linked list? Could speed up things tremendously... :) > > (Guess who's doing that for Termite's editor? :) ) > > Simon No, not quite: In the non-existant new Notepad for the non-existant new Driver v2 I decided to really speed things up with 2k slices each with a 256 byte overflow buffer, with a table of pointers to each one. And it was written in DPL... Steve. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 17:06:26 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 17:01:25 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9501201156.AA00414@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jan 20, 95 12:56:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 564 Lines: 16 > Does every data book claim a different thing? ;-) How are we supposed to > know what it _actually_ does? Has someone got one to test? > > imc All the books I've got say that the 574 and the 374 are mirrored input and output pinouts... the one that was a different active level is the 576. Don't listen to Maplins -- they're crap. Get a Farnell's catalogue instead. If you have problems, phone DQ (Directory Enquiries in BT speak), get Farnell's number and ask them to send you a catalogue... Simon ps the catalogue /may/ cost money... From imc Fri Jan 20 17:09:03 1995 Subject: Re: .SNA to SAM snap converter To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 17:09:03 GMT In-Reply-To: <199501201659.AA01848@ulke.hiMolde.no>; from "Frode Tennebo" at Jan 20, 95 5:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 316 Lines: 8 On Fri, 20 Jan 1995 17:59:07 +0100 (MET), Frode Tennebo said: > Teledisk is copyrighted, and 'nobody' probably knows > the file-format of the thing. Does he? Why don't we ask him (or her) then? Problem is, he seems to have accounts on unix systems all over the place - which one do we send mail to? imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 17:10:13 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Printer FX from DRIVER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 17:05:33 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <199501201411.AA27409@ulke.hiMolde.no> from "Frode Tennebo" at Jan 20, 95 03:11:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 136 Lines: 10 > And when will we se a port of Word 6.0? ;) Just give me /one more weekend/! That's all I ask Simon :):):):):):):):):) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 17:10:19 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Printer FX from DRIVER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 17:07:16 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Steve Taylor" at Jan 20, 95 04:40:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 269 Lines: 9 [feedback about the application-OS interface and the docs that were in FRED] I tried to get hold of all the docs from FRED, but never managed to -- one of my discs has been corrupted! Any chance of putting them in ZIPPED form on the NVG archives?? Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 17:12:47 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501201708.AA02166@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Printer FX from DRIVER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 18:08:06 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 20, 95 05:05:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 487 Lines: 23 > > > And when will we se a port of Word 6.0? ;) > > Just give me /one more weekend/! > > That's all I ask Right. Like THIS weekend? :) > > Simon > > :):):):):):):):):) > > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 17:12:58 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Printer FX from DRIVER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 17:07:41 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Steve Taylor" at Jan 20, 95 04:40:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 367 Lines: 10 > Well I did publish the docs in Fred, and some people did manage to use > them (ie. the Mosaic game on the Driver Extras disk.) Mind you, I got a > lot of negative feedback about the application-OS interface, and that's > why no-one wants to write for it :-( Actually, just had a thought -- can I put the docs in my technical manual as well? Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 17:13:36 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 17:07:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Taylor X-Sender: sct1000@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Driver In-Reply-To: <95012016481707@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 756 Lines: 21 > >Well I did publish the docs in Fred, and some people did manage to use > >them (ie. the Mosaic game on the Driver Extras disk.) Mind you, I got a > >lot of negative feedback about the application-OS interface, and that's > >why no-one wants to write for it :-( > > > > How about uploading the docs to nvg so that those people that don't read Fred > can have a look. > > You never know - people might start to take interest? > > Lord Blackadder > I would, except that I don't have my SAM or disks with me. Maybe someone else with access to the relevant issues of Fred would do it for me. (Don't worry about copyright or anything - I still retain it, not Fred) Sorry, but I can't remember which issues they're on. Steve. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 17:14:09 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: WWW-Page To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 17:09:01 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <95012016370537@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> from "I've got an idea, and it's as hot as my pants!" at Jan 20, 95 04:37:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 286 Lines: 12 > I think he means the bit about yourself. > > BTW Si, have you received any of my mail?? Yep -- just hadn't had chance to answer it yet -- should be sorted now though :) Alright, I'll put the pics of me in a separate page called "The Gallery" or something... Simon From imc Fri Jan 20 17:15:52 1995 Subject: Re: Driver To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 17:15:52 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Steve Taylor" at Jan 20, 95 5:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 346 Lines: 8 On Fri, 20 Jan 1995 17:07:33 +0000 (GMT), Steve Taylor said: > I would, except that I don't have my SAM or disks with me. Maybe someone > else with access to the relevant issues of Fred would do it for me. > (Don't worry about copyright or anything - I still retain it, not Fred) I might be able to find them over the weekend... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 17:27:44 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501201724.AA02603@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Message no. 1000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 18:24:26 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <95012016481707@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> from "I've got an idea, and it's as hot as my pants!" at Jan 20, 95 04:48:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 862 Lines: 27 Hi folks! We have just passed 1000 posting on this group and that's only since 10th January 1994 (almost precicely one year ago!) when Coling Piggot posted the first posting about his SAM Info Server. And the winner (or, rather the document is): > >> Ere, Steve I'm sure it says Notepad is a Word processor in the DRiVER user > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> guide. Well it does have Headers and footers..... > > > >Bobspeak for text editor. > > BoB - What a homo! [rest of doc deleted until...] > Lord Blackadder -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 17:31:50 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Uk SAMCON To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 17:28:47 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <95012016431611@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> from "I've got an idea, and it's as hot as my pants!" at Jan 20, 95 04:43:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 484 Lines: 15 > I think a UK SAMCON would be a great idea - hang on a mo' didn't you come up > with a similar idea about 2 years ago?? What happened to that? Yeah, but it never happened... but we've got a venue now and everything planned :) > A new ASIC would be great - count me in (on the money front, that is) We could do it if the people who originally wrote to YS saying they'd buy one would put the money forward... and if we could convince Bruce, that is... simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 17:37:24 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Printer FX from DRIVER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 17:33:35 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Steve Taylor" at Jan 20, 95 04:57:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 293 Lines: 11 > No, not quite: In the non-existant new Notepad for the non-existant new > Driver v2 I decided to really speed things up with 2k slices each with a > 256 byte overflow buffer, with a table of pointers to each one. And it > was written in DPL... > > Steve. Excellent :) Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 17:56:28 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 18:52:59 +0100 (MET) From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: BOUNCE sam-users@nvg.unit.no: Admin request (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1615 Lines: 48 Received: from ulke.hiMolde.no (frodet@ulke.hiMolde.no [158.38.68.10]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA06268 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 14:54:18 +0100 Received: by ulke.hiMolde.no id AA26835 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for sam-users@nvg.unit.no); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 14:54:10 +0100 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199501201354.AA26835@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Where's everyone gone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 14:54:09 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9501201232.AA01241@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jan 20, 95 01:32:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 853 > > > Those without was the ones I described in an > > earlier posting. And I think the ones Johnathan described was > > the SN ones. Does that help you? ;) > > So what have you on M74HCT574B1R and M74HCT374B1R? :-) OK! If we drop the last 'R', I've got this: 374 574 1. /OC 11. C /OC C 2. 1Q 12. 5Q 1D 8Q 3. 1D 13. 5D 2D 7Q 4. 2D 14. 6D 3D 6Q 5. 2Q 15. 6Q 4D 5Q 6. 3Q 16. 7Q 5D 4Q 7. 3D 17. 7D 6D 3Q 8. 4D 18. 8D 7D 2Q 9. 4Q 19. 8Q 8D 1Q 10. GND 20. Vcc GND Vcc Hope you appreciate what I am doing here.....;) > > imc > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 18:00:25 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Message no. 1000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 17:56:45 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <199501201724.AA02603@ulke.hiMolde.no> from "Frode Tennebo" at Jan 20, 95 06:24:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 370 Lines: 12 > We have just passed 1000 posting on this group and that's only since > 10th January 1994 (almost precicely one year ago!) when Coling Piggot > posted the first posting about his SAM Info Server. > > And the winner (or, rather the document is): > > BoB - What a homo! > > Lord Blackadder What a fitting message to reach the millenial message :) Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 19:13:39 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 19:09:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Taylor X-Sender: sct1000@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: SAM-users Subject: FPC Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1482 Lines: 32 I've got this problem. (No, not that problem) I might just have been working on this new WIMP-style OS when I hit a bit of a problem with the FPC. In this hypothetical system, the individual applications are time-sliced using the frame interrupt, which also triggers key scanning etc. These applications each have their own FP stack (like the ROM uses), and can execute FP instructions using RST 28 commands like with the ROM. Now, I implemented this by copying each ap's FPC stack onto the ROM's, executing a copy of the instructions, and copying the resulting stack contents back. My problem arose when a DPL application wanted to run a background routine. DPL-compiled aps use the FPC nearly all the time, meaning that the ROM is nearly always paged in, and the mode 1 interrupts never reach Driver. So no other programs get processor time, the pointer never seems to move and so on. I thought about vectoring the interrupts back into Driver, but the time-slice problem remains: I couldn't safely switch to another application for fear of what was happening to the original FPC stack. The only feasible solution was to write my own FPC. Help! \\/// (o o) +----------------ooO-(_)-Ooo----------------+ | Steve Taylor sct1000@cam.ac.uk | | Pembroke College | | Cambridge CB2 1RF | +-------------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 22:56:00 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 22:21:58 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <6138@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Now lets look through the round window X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1709 Lines: 40 In message <9501201140.AA00302@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk writes: > On Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:02:50 GMT, Brian Gaff Sam Dept. said: > > I have been thinking.. (dangerous) As SAM in a mass produced for > > is basically dead, I wonder what sort of PC would be needed to > > emulate it? > > I would say that if you used the software Z80 emulation of, say, Z80, > then a graphics board and a sound chip would be sufficient. The sound > chip would obviously be a Philips one identical to the Sam's. The graphics > board would have to have either DMA or on-board memory in order to store the > following information. > > * a memory image of the screen (between 6K and 24K) > * palette info, including mid-screen palette changes > * mode info, including mid-screen mode changes. > > If it didn't do this, then making a complete emulation would be a real pain > because the mode can change on any part of the screen at a moment's notice > and that would require a whole lot of processing to emulate in software. > However, perhaps a SuperEmulator(tm) such as Arnt's proposed QAOP might > be able to spare enough processing time to recreate the video whenever > necessary. > > The software emulation should be able to count cycles and generate line > interrupts at the correct times. Whenever the palette or mode changes, it > should be able to work out what position on the screen to make the change > from the cycle count. > > imc > > Agreed, would a SAM ASIC be of use? There are a lot of them around I believe! :-) This list seems to be in pverdrive just now, has everyone had an extra Weetabix, or what? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 22:56:26 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 22:28:06 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <6139@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: .SNA to SAM snap converter X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 417 Lines: 17 In message <2F20276B@courier.lmu.ac.uk> "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" writes: > > > Anyone interested in a .SNA to SAM snap converter? > > Excuse my ignorance but what is the .SNA format 'cos I've > never met it before, I gather it's a snapshot format but from > what. > > Dan > > Various Spectrum emulators on various platforms. Notably Jpp on the PC and an Amiga one. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 22:56:27 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 22:31:32 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <6140@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: .SNA to SAM snap converter X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 842 Lines: 27 In message <9501201343.AA03667@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk writes: > On Fri, 20 Jan 95 14:31:36 MET, Allan Skillman said: > > I think I'm right in saying that the SNA format was originally used by the > > Mirage microdriver (hands up all those with microdrives still!) but it seems > > to have become the standard for spectrum emulators now. > > I have a microdrive (and about 20 cartridges), but it's quite some time > since I last used it... > > > Well I'm writing this from a HP715 (which is at CERN) but I'm sitting on > > a DEC ALPHA > > I'm writing this from a Sun SPARCstation 2 (which is at Oxford), and I'm > sitting on a chair. :-) > > imc > > I have three MDVs and about 80 carts. Only 1 IF1 though. I am writing this on a swivel chair... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 22:56:48 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 22:47:50 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <6142@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Now lets look through the round window X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 621 Lines: 24 In message Simon Cooke writes: > > Just a thought. I somehow cannot see Bob ever getting Sam2 off > > the ground, and with the iminent demise of West Coast, what is > > left? Anyone got a couple or hundred thou burning a hole in > > their pocket? > > > Hang on Brian -- back pedal a bit here ... West Coast's demise????????? > > Simon > > > Well, who is there to make SAMs? Mark is very ill, Adrian went... I have been getting bits done by a friend, but summut has to give soon. Lets see what Bob does. Brian (pessimist inc?) -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jan 20 22:59:36 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 22:37:50 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <6141@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Comm'Ix X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1595 Lines: 41 In message Simon Cooke writes: > > > I send to nvg... my Terminal Program COMM`ix ( shareware Version ) and > > > it will work with 14400 bps Modems at full Sam UART speed , have ASCI 4 > > > Colours with logic , Xmodem , Xmodem 1kB , Ymodem ( now only for > > > download ) , 10 TelephoneNo. Diary and user defineable F-keys , but > > > only 80x24 without status line . > > > I send a TIFF -> Sam RGB Converter by Stephan Haller with two Pix Disks > > > ( converted by me ) . This Version have a new display procedure . > > > > > > Slawek. > > > > > > slawek@namu01.gwdg.de > > > slawek@truline.harz.sub.org > > > > Has someone already tested this software? I downloaded it fro nvg > > but I still didn't have the time to tranfer it to my SAM so I > > don't know anything about it, although the description sounds > > very good! > > It still seems inferior to Termite but a least it is already available... > > Tested it... seems very nice... BUT... it loses characters on both send > and receive (not tried the file xfer protocols, but this is what it does > in terminal mode anyway), uses dithers to produce some of the colours > (which is switchable -- nice idea, but it doesn't look any good), and > won't do software flow control... > > Oh yes, and it hangs when I try to send email using my Internet dialup, > which is VT100, so it shouldn't have any problems... > > Still, not bad for a freebie... > > :( > > Simon > No, Is it in TD0 format, if so I'd give it a go. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Jan 21 07:15:41 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Www-Page Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 8:11:50 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501210811.aa09441@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 994 Lines: 29 Hi Simon! >>> Perhaps you could use little icons instead of full size pictures so >>> if someone wants to see the picture he has to click on the icon and then >>> the picture will be sent. >> >>Yeah... which section are the offending pics in though? >> >>Si > >I think he means the bit about yourself. > >Lord B' Exactly, I had to wait one minute (with a 1.5K/sec tranfer rate) before the page was completely built up, perhaps someone else wouldn't wait so long and would rather abort before the page is completed... Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Jan 21 07:15:42 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: West Coast Demise Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 8:12:29 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501210812.aa09738@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 999 Lines: 24 Hi Brian! > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:02:50 GMT > From: "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." > > Just a thought. I somehow cannot see Bob ever getting Sam2 off > the ground, and with the iminent demise of West Coast, What do ya mean, I did order a SAM Elite in December for my sister and the cheque I sent was cashed two weeks ago, I hope I'll still receive the SAM!! Is there any way to find out if Bob posted the SAM already without having to make a long-distance voicecall? I don't want to loose 200 pounds! Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Jan 21 07:16:22 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Teledisk Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 8:13:04 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501210813.aa09785@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 938 Lines: 24 Hi Allan! >From: Allan Skillman (Dr Kid) >Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 12:07:49 MET > >PC, who wants one of them :) A .td0 decruncher for the SAM, now thats an idea, >of course you would need two disk drives (or a 1Mb expansion) I wrote a very simple one last summer, and it works with only one drive and 512K, too, but it uses it's own file format 'cause I don't know anything about the td0 format. If anyone is interested I can upload it to nvg... Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Jan 21 07:16:38 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Kapsa Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 8:13:31 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501210813.aa09833@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1601 Lines: 38 Hi Simon! >From: Simon Cooke >Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:38:31 +0000 (GMT) > >Actually, no -- it's more that it's reassuring to see so many people >supporting the SAM still -- I don't care what I get out of what I write >for the SAM (we try and keep it down to cost price as much as possible >now anyway), I just enjoy doing it, and seeing what other people come up >with... but over 300 users... wow! Did you see the pics of SAMCON? What >I'd give to go to -that-! Well there's another SAMCON this year, and Prague is a very nice city (with quite some nightlife, at least 3 years ago it was so)... ... so you can still go there if you want to! :-) >Also, there's the news that it'd cost only 2500 pounds to do a first-run >ASIC in the Czech republic... unfortunately, I've yet to get in touch >with Bruce over the idea ... Could be a good idea... >btw: Anyone interested in a UK SAMCON? Better than the Format run one I >mean...? >Probably it would be sited in the centre of Manchester... Interested yes, but I will be able to attend it only if it takes place within the end of June. Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Jan 21 07:17:14 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Dpl ?????? Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 8:14:04 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501210814.aa09877@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 738 Lines: 18 Hi Steve! > No, not quite: In the non-existant new Notepad for the non-existant new > Driver v2 I decided to really speed things up with 2k slices each with a > 256 byte overflow buffer, with a table of pointers to each one. And it > was written in DPL... What's DPL ??? Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Jan 21 07:17:48 1995 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Comm'Ix Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 8:14:38 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9501210814.aa10236@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1337 Lines: 32 Hi Simon! > From: Simon Cooke > Subject: Re: Comm'Ix > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:42:42 +0000 (GMT) > > Tested it... seems very nice... BUT... it loses characters on both send > and receive (not tried the file xfer protocols, but this is what it does > in terminal mode anyway), uses dithers to produce some of the colours > (which is switchable -- nice idea, but it doesn't look any good), and > won't do software flow control... > > Oh yes, and it hangs when I try to send email using my Internet dialup, > which is VT100, so it shouldn't have any problems... > > Still, not bad for a freebie... How did you install Comm'ix on the SAM? I unzipped the zip file on the PC and found a file with .LCB extension inside. What kind of file is that? Bye, Arne BTW did you receive the two Emails with the zip file description I sent you yesterday? +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it ...leeds.ac.uk soon! | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 8pm CET | | ---- proud - SAM Coupe 512K - Psion Series 3 - GUS MAX - owner ---- | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Jan 21 12:10:50 1995 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 11:48:49 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <6166@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: West Coast Demise X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1129 Lines: 39 Well, if any far flong folk want me to, I can FAX and bother Bob gor you and email the result. Email to westco@bgserv.demon.co.uk all relavent details, I will print it, send it to Bob and see what happens. I have no wish to suggest Bob will not honour orders, here are my thoughts, so you know what I meant, sorry if I gave a misleading impression. Sam stock etc are in WAles, Bob is not. Nobody is in WAles but rental of unit needs to be paid. Bob will need to get someone to put SAMs together. Uf it were me, I think I'd do this. Remember this is a business thought, not a Bob one! :-) How many SAMs could we possibly sell? Maybe 1000 if pushed (I think a lot less, but I am being generous) Look at Stock. Take enough parts for what I could sell, plus some for Spares of things like keyboards and ASICs, cases etc. Attempt to sell rest of stock to get money to finance building some SAMs. Move stock to somewhere I can afford (Bobs place?) Tricle along as before. Now if SAM2 ever gets off the ground, it would need finance. I pass on this! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Jan 21 13:09:09 1995 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 13:02:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Taylor X-Sender: sct1000@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Dpl ?????? In-Reply-To: <9501210814.aa09877@ax433.mclink.it> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 471 Lines: 16 > > Hi Steve! > > > No, not quite: In the non-existant new Notepad for the non-existant new > > Driver v2 I decided to really speed things up with 2k slices each with a > > 256 byte overflow buffer, with a table of pointers to each one. And it > > was written in DPL... > > What's DPL ??? > > Bye, Arne A high-level Pascal-style language (Driver Programming Language) designed for writing applications. I've even got a working compiler... Steve. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Jan 21 15:12:31 1995 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 14:11:14 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <6167@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Now lets look through the round window X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 472 Lines: 14 OK, I had a call from Bob.. I want to clarify things... There is NO chance that SAM os going to die. All my comments are putely MY musings. I have no wish to cause problems to anyone. Bob pointed out quite rightly, that someone on this list who is not familiar with the general chit-chat, or the meanings of :-) etc, might take the "imminent demise" statement literally. Bob, you can remove the arm lock now... pleeeease! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Jan 21 18:08:27 1995 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 17:26:19 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <6170@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Dpl ?????? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 223 Lines: 10 I think I could have worked out what DPL was, considering who the message was from! I must afmit I failed to follow the info about the stacks though. Anyone fancy brain surgery? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Jan 21 18:44:43 1995 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 18:28:15 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <6178@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Just a small moan X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 305 Lines: 11 Could I suggest to whoever repeated my mail out of context to Bob, that common couresu could have been shown to me and indeed anyone else involved by Emailing them for an explanation FIRST? Thank you Colin :-) ^^^^ This is known as a SMILEY... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Jan 21 19:23:04 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: FPC To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 19:18:24 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Steve Taylor" at Jan 20, 95 07:09:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 255 Lines: 10 [writing your own FPC] There's very good documented source for an FPC in SMALL C on the CPM machines -- I can try an get a copy for you if you want? Also, you might want to disect the ROM's FPC routines and just copy them wholesale... Si From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Jan 21 19:25:53 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Now lets look through the round window To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 19:21:09 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <6138@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Jan 20, 95 10:21:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 369 Lines: 14 > > > Agreed, would a SAM ASIC be of use? There are a lot of them > around I believe! :-) Yep, and I can get them for -- at last count -- a fiver a shot from Bruce Gordon direct :) (he's got a fair few of them) > This list seems to be in pverdrive just now, has everyone had an > extra Weetabix, or what? Nope, just 24576 Shredded Wheat ;) Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Jan 21 19:27:41 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Comm'Ix To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 19:22:57 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <6141@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Jan 20, 95 10:37:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 333 Lines: 16 > No, Is it in TD0 format, if so I'd give it a go. Yep, it's in TD0 format... btw: you WILL need the RTS/CTS mod!!!! (Not sure about the interrupts) Quite worrying really -- it seems that some models of COMMS interface don't have the linker pins to put a jumper on!!!!!!! This could be quite serious! Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Jan 21 19:30:08 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Comm'Ix To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 19:25:18 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9501210814.aa10236@ax433.mclink.it> from "Arne Di Russo" at Jan 21, 95 08:14:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 366 Lines: 14 > How did you install Comm'ix on the SAM? I unzipped the zip file on the PC > and found a file with .LCB extension inside. What kind of file is that? Compressed library file for the library program in the archivers.... > Bye, Arne > > BTW did you receive the two Emails with the zip file description I sent > you yesterday? Yep :) Thanks! Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Jan 22 08:06:05 1995 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 07:57:24 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <6188@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Comm'Ix X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 182 Lines: 8 What, you mean the pins are just not there? I wonder who did that? Not totally serious, but it looks like costs are going to increase then. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Jan 22 08:40:46 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 20 Jan 95 23:13:32 +0000 Subject: Where's everyone gone? Message-Id: <1a8_9501211953@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1280 Lines: 37 On (19 Jan 95) simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk wrote in response to jet@centron.com... > From: Simon Cooke > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:07:47 +0000 (GMT) [IDE-interface] >>> reduce your designing&development overheads:-) > Yes please :) If we had bigger SAM boxes we could put the design we've > got on the MultiROM, but we haven't :( Ok, 60x70mm PCB. it hangs off the pins 1-20 side of the z80 socket, requires z80 A0-A7,D0-D7,/IORQ,/RD,/WR,/RESET,CPU-CLK,+5V,0V to be connected to the fake z80 socket. IDE-Bus socket is on opposite end of the PCB. I/O allocations are 0n6H to 0nfH inclusive, command block is 0n8H to 0nfH the 2 lower addresses are for the alternate control/status registers, 'n' is the link-presetable high-nibble of the address that makes it generic:-) [more termite] > Yeah -- don't worry, I've got it covered. You can even call scripts > within scripts -- fully nested to 256 levels is the plan... And I'm > sticking an up-to-4Mb disk cache in the system... That'll be a nice luxury! regards Johnathan. ... Get stoned, drink liquid cement. -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Jan 22 08:40:47 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 20 Jan 95 18:41:19 +0000 Subject: Sam RS232 comms Message-Id: <1a7_9501211953@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3069 Lines: 74 On (19 Jan 95) simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk wrote in response to jet@centron.com... > From: Simon Cooke > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:03:41 +0000 (GMT) > Right, well, I'm using RXRDY mode at the moment -- I didn't think I could > get away with FifoFull, in case only 2 bytes were received -- it'd just > hang, with no data coming back. I know that this isn't likely, but it > came to mind... Oh you're quite right it could be a problem... But not that serious;-) When you check for character availability you first check the Ring-buffer and if none there then disable the interupts and check the UART RxRDY bit then re- enable the interupts... When Reading a character do the same as above but get the character from which- ever has a character character first.. More software overhead in bytes but they're only executed *when* you check/read a character and not whilst you're trying to process the data... > Got to remember that screen clearing and scrolling in my code is all done > using LDI's -- I can't afford to switch interrupts off for it. And the > colour encoding gets in the way a tad... still, it's all got to be > optimised, but I reckon the optimisations will be cancelled when I put > the shadow text screen in (for the scroll-back buffer, and string > grabbing, etc) Under ProDos1923 apart from momentary DI's during context switches the only time I disable the interupts is during the disk-allocation find-first free block routine as that places the stack on top of the actual allocation vector bit-map and uses non-standard methods to search through it.. Interupts whilst in that routine would be fatal! Note I don't even Disable the interupts when doing the fast PUSH HL... style screen clear routine. I'd suggest that when hooking in scripts that you give the screen the least priority ie force the most time efficient emulated screen mode ie No colour, ANSI filtering rather than calculations and a 24x64 or 85 if there's time... Or even avoiding screen output until an error ocours in the script! ie keep the script-mode code seperate from the hands-on mode or both will suffer! [Sam Fax] > *grins* Yeah, Class 2 is a lot better documented than Class 1 as well in > the docs I've got, so it's not only easier to use, it's also easier to > understand! >> I know where I can get hold of the author of the MS-DOS BG-FAX or the QL's >> FAX program. Would you like me to see if they have any doc files that'll >> assist you? > Pretty pretty please!!!! It'll take some time as they're on Fidonet, I'll get right on it:-) (I hope the docs aren't too big;-) > Can you drop me your home address so I can send you an alpha copy of > Termite and see if you've got any ideas??? Will email it:-) regards Johnathan. ... Taglines: Your last chance to say something stupid! -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Jan 22 08:42:18 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 22 Jan 95 06:08:16 +0000 Subject: Hd-Schematics Message-Id: <1e8_9501220831@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1579 Lines: 48 On (20 Jan 95) MC8189@mclink.it wrote to All... > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 7:49:35 CET > From: Arne Di Russo Hi Arne! [Sam-Native C compiler] > I read something about it on the KAPSA-demo disk downloaded from nvg. > It seems to be made by a Czech SAM user. It was only a port of public domain code, not sure if it started out as SMALL-C version 1 or version 2... I expect it'll be pretty limited in it's K&R C implementation but *should* be better than HiSoft C for the speccy due to it not incorperating the assembler into the compiler itself... The Small C pre-processor is very limited as well. [Simple HD interface] > Well, I have the schematic on an A4 size piece of paper. As I have a > handyscanner I could scan it and send it to you as a b/w GIF or > TIFF if you like. DeflatX'd TIFF would be the best (I think:) though anything that's convienient to you please:) I wonder if that design is my original PD one Sam'ised and re-released;-) >... Eurostar cancelled!!! Seagull droppings on the lines....... > Please don't even say such things, I will have to use the Eurostar > in 2 weeks when I go to Leeds!!!! > ;-))) 2 weeks eh? that'll be just in time for our seasonal snowfall and the rail delays due to 'the wrong type of snow on the tracks' Cheers Johnathan. ... Docs? Why would I want to look at the Docs. Nurses are better :-) -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.